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Old 03-17-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Default Most affordable supercharger??

{{Before any of you jokesters want to post a link to the "electric supercharger" on eBay, let me just say HA-HA...very funny}}

I've read the plethoria of supercharger posts here, most consist of the eternal question "which supercharger?". My question is, do any of you know who manufactures the most affordable supercharging solution for the Ford 4.6L 2V engine? I'm not looking for a "cheap" solution, just the most affordable package out there. I dont need it for 1/4-mile racing, I just want to be able to hold my own against the A-Hole in the Corvette on the freeway who wants to show me how much faster his $60,000 car is than mine. Keep in mind, reliability is more important to me than actual HP numbers since my car only has 5500 miles on it (I will have it dyno-tuned of course), and I dont want to worry about having to replace my internals with forged counterparts.

I've heard all the names thrown around...Paxton, Pro Charger, Kenne Bell, Eaton, etc...and everyone is looking for the best bang for the buck...but is there one in particular that requires "less-buck-for-the-bang"?? I realize its hard to compare apples to oranges, (Centrifugal vs. Roots vs. Twin Screw...intercooled vs non-intercooled...38lb injectors vs 42lb injectors...etc, etc.), but if the actual TYPE and set-up didn't matter to me, which supercharger would be the most economical way to go AND still give me the power needed to be able to play with the C6 from a roll? I'm not looking to blow the doors off one...just not be left in its dust!!

I wont be doing the install myself (for obvious reasons) so the easiest one to install would most likely save me money on labor.


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It might help if you told us what year your Mustang is. There's a large $$$ difference between a blower for a '96 and an '04.

But the least expensive kit out there is probably a Vortech A-trim. It'll only be good for a maximum of 6psi, but they're usually pretty cheap.
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It might help if you told us what year your Mustang is. There's a large $$$ difference between a blower for a '96 and an '04.
Sorry about that. I assumed by mentioning the fact that I only have 5,500 miles on my car, and the 4.6 2V would have given it away, but its a 2004 GT...so I'd have to go with the "S-trim" since they don't make the A-trim for my vehicle. After checking the prices of the Vortech systems, I can get an Intercooled Pro Charger P1-SC for just a little more than a NON-intercooled Vortech S-trim. I keep hearing really good things about the Pro Charger systems...so I'm leaning towards them!!

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I'm shopping around myself, something to keep in mind is what does it include. The Vortech I'm leaning towards includes higher volume fuel pump, injectors ect. Don't want to create to much boost, a buddy got the procharger and has went through two motors in 30 days. It has been sent back to procharger thinking that the problem is in the unit itself, couldn't keep the boost down for some reason. Everyone on here knows more about this stuff than I do, just thought I'd chime in. (by the way his is an 02 gt)
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Mana4Real is running a P1-SC and makes some great reliable numbers with it. His biggest complaint is ATI's lack of customer service.
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The Procharger P1SC is definitly a great unit but, their customer
service is the worst out of all the supercharger companys.
I belive the Powerdyne supercharger is one of the "cheapest"
next to the Vortech A trim. Remember that the cheapest is not
always the best so,reseach and choice wisely.
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Check these guys out...this place has the cheapest one's I've seen and are from good company's too:

http://www.ampperformance.com
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obviously the basic S-trim kit will be one of the easiest to install, as it lacks the extras that the Procharger kit includes like an intercooler and associated plumbing.

i know alot of people that hate on the Prochargers for reliability, but i know of one guy who has over 100k on his P600B and it hasn't missed a beat.
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Mana4Real is running a P1-SC and makes some great reliable numbers with it. His biggest complaint is ATI's lack of customer service.
Very true. I love my procharger. Makes really good power. I have had issues here and there, but doesn't everyone with a highly modified car? I'm sorry that your friend blew two motors, but that's not due to the supercharger, that's do to a bad tune. If he was running the procharger tune in his car, I could see why it blew up. Their tune was great at cruising speeds, but the motor would ping like hell at WOT... With a good tune you won't blow your motor unless you do something really dumb. People need to understand that if you hear marbles shaking in that motor (pinging), back off the throttle!!!!
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Question is: Why go with a Vortech?

My experience is not with superchargers but turbocharged cars reliant on tapping the motor's oil supply for lubrication. Sooner or later the oil wears out, runs dry (for whatever reason), or more subtly the pump sucks air because of windage or quick maneuvering. The motor usually recovers (its in process supply of oil is considerable) from this, but the turbo dies.

The same thing happens to a supercharger dependent on pulling oil from the oil pan.

Vortech has its own oil supply (which I think uses synthetic oil) and has to be changed independently form the motor oil. This appeals to me.

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I personally have a Vortech SC and AfterCooler. Mine is on a 98 gt, but it uses the oil from my engine to lube it. After 3 yrs with just an SC on my car, it has never had a problem with getting oil. I paid more for my setup cause I got the aftercooler seperate, but the whole package is worth the $$. Yes, Pro charger is a bit less, but I have heard that it comes with a weak Fuel pump, and not all the parts you need. Mabey that has changed. Vortech provides everything but the tune.
Vortech has great customer service and advice also.
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For a somewhat stock appearance and good reliabilit for a lower price..check out FRPP SVO blower. Its not intercooled and pushed out 6psi but that should be enough for you. I know they make them for 96-98 and are about to release a 99+ one. Allen engine development also makes one i think for the 99+ and not a huge price and its intercooled i believe.
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For a somewhat stock appearance and good reliabilit for a lower price..check out FRPP SVO blower. Its not intercooled and pushed out 6psi but that should be enough for you. I know they make them for 96-98 and are about to release a 99+ one. Allen engine development also makes one i think for the 99+ and not a huge price and its intercooled i believe.
Doesn't Paxton make the FRPP blowers?? I cant find ANY info on these "SVO" blowers...do I go through my dealer's parts dept. to get one??
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I gave these guys a call...


http://superchargers4less.com/


they recommended the ProCharger H.O. intercooled P-1SC system w/8 psi boost (...hmmmm, its starting to sound almost like a conspiracy)!! Procharger ALSO eliminates the need to punch a hole in the oil pan. This is an excerpt from thier website...

The patented SC design eliminates the need for oil lines and punching a hole in the oil pan. Additionally, instead of being forced to utilize heated engine oil or the grease in sealed bearings, SC ProChargers are lubricated with an extremely high quality synthetic oil which is specifically engineered for high speed use, and produces the least frictional heat and parasitic load. The self-contained design not only eliminates the heat that is transferred to a supercharger by engine oil in oil-fed applications, it also avoids the risk of clogged supercharger oil lines, oil drainage problems, or engine oil leakage. By combining an advanced multi-patented supercharger transmission design with the highest quality oil, SC ProChargers produce a larger net power gain because they run cooler and consume less power than comparable oil-fed designs. Both street and strip ProCharger models are also the most durable superchargers available, and are backed by the industry's best warranty coverage.
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Doesn't Paxton make the FRPP blowers?? I cant find ANY info on these "SVO" blowers...do I go through my dealer's parts dept. to get one??

Go to Ford Racings website.
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