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Old 01-18-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default 2000 Mustang GT - Major Upgrade!

Ok guys, I have a 2000 GT (stock) with 96k. The original motor has been great to me. No major problems thus far besides a blown #3 coil at 65k, and my #7 plug recently blew out. So I convinced my wife that I need a rebuild...

OK here we go..

VT 302 2V Sportsman (Forged LongBlock)~$7199
upgrade to Billet Oil Pump Gears~$295
upgrade to Stage 2 Port PI Heads~$290
upgrade to Stage 3 CAMS~$500
CAM Sprockets Kit~ $FREE
Kooks 2V 1 3/4 Header W/3" Collector~$810
Kooks 4V Mustang 3" Inlet W/ 2 1/2" X-Crossover W/CATS~$500
30LN Motorsport Injectors~$350
Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch~$350
Fidanza Alum. Flywheel~$FREE
Motorsport 8.8 3.73 Ring&Pinion~$220
Dyno Tune&Custom Chip burn~$600
LABOR Speed Inc - Pure Power ~$1100

VT says this setup will generate 320-350hp. Three months to build
. My set up will allow the ability to add a intercooler Procharger setup in the next 2-3 years.

Does something look outta whack?? What would you add to the order?? Am I missing something crucial???

Thanks in advance..........
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Ok guys, I have a 2000 GT (stock) with 96k. The original motor has been great to me. No major problems thus far besides a blown #3 coil at 65k, and my #7 plug recently blew out. So I convinced my wife that I need a rebuild...

OK here we go..

VT 302 2V Sportsman (Forged LongBlock)~$7199
upgrade to Billet Oil Pump Gears~$295
upgrade to Stage 2 Port PI Heads~$290
upgrade to Stage 3 CAMS~$500
CAM Sprockets Kit~ $FREE
Kooks 2V 1 3/4 Header W/3" Collector~$810
Kooks 4V Mustang 3" Inlet W/ 2 1/2" X-Crossover W/CATS~$500
30LN Motorsport Injectors~$350
Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch~$350
Fidanza Alum. Flywheel~$FREE
Motorsport 8.8 3.73 Ring&Pinion~$220
Dyno Tune&Custom Chip burn~$600
LABOR Speed Inc - Pure Power ~$1100

VT says this setup will generate 320-350hp. Three months to build
. My set up will allow the ability to add a intercooler Procharger setup in the next 2-3 years.

Does something look outta whack?? What would you add to the order?? Am I missing something crucial???

Thanks in advance..........

or you could just do a '03-04 Cobra motor swap and have more power, but that's just me.
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everything Looks Good With Your Rebuild Plan I Don't See Any Type Of Intake Or Throttle Body In There With Those Thirty Pound Injectors Go With A K/n Intake And K/n Filter And A 70mm Or 75mm Throttle Body. Use Also An Accufab Plenum And For Best Results A Typhoon Intake Manifold.
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What is the going price for a 03-04 Cobra motor these days???
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I've seen prices as low as $6849.00

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Where have you seen these prices? Help me with a few websites... THX...
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everything Looks Good With Your Rebuild Plan I Don't See Any Type Of Intake Or Throttle Body In There With Those Thirty Pound Injectors Go With A K/n Intake And K/n Filter And A 70mm Or 75mm Throttle Body. Use Also An Accufab Plenum And For Best Results A Typhoon Intake Manifold.
in his case one of the Fox Lake P-51 intakes would probably be better than a Accufab, given it fits.

http://www.foxlakeracing.com/clientu...p51onmycar.jpg
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Where have you seen these prices? Help me with a few websites... THX...
Sorry for the delay on this. Here's the quote I got:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/crate...dularcobra.asp
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Sorry for the delay on this. Here's the quote I got:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/crate...dularcobra.asp
That was actually the Mach1 motor.
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That price was wayyy tooo low... Crate 03/04 Cobra Motor is going for $15-16k. My whole set up is running $14,500. Unfortunatley, I dont have that much cash.. My end result (after blower) should be something around 450-475hp @ the crank. Good enough for me...
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That was actually the Mach1 motor.
Well.......... The block thats in the Mach1 actually came from the 1995 SVT Cobra. So you get do get that block. From what I hear, its a teksid Aluminum block, and is probably stronger than the Iron block found in the 03/04 SVT Cobra. Markwoondi swears by this block.

Thats why I recommended it!
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You are right though "funky", its not an 03/04 Cobra engine. Here are some opinions on Aluminum, and Iron block engines.


Hi Mark, is the teksid aluminum block the same in the Mustang GT, as in the 96-97-98-99 Cobra? See some comments below. The Alum vs Iron seems to be an old argument.


CobraKindaGuy

Price had nothing to do with it. The first pre-production design of the 03 Cobra with the blower added did use an aluminum block but the extreme heat caused by the blower was causing the heads to warp and develop fine cracks in the cylinder walls. So they had to go with the cast iron block to eliminate this problem since they did not have enough time to address the heat problems given their projected production date.

Oh Three Cobra

Yea, it would have been cheeper for ford to use the current aluminum block than to cast a new iron block. I herd that in testing they damaged an aluminum block which they initially planned to use. Anyone ever see the video of the supercharged 99-01 cobra racing a z06 that cracks the block?

FireRed04Vert

This iron vs aluminum argument will never end. I have a good friend who is a software engineer for Ford (designs EEC software) He told me the conversations that went on inside of Ford about this subject were very heated at times. Ford WANTED to go aluminum for the weight factor (hence CAFE) But they felt there might be a durability issue because they knew these engines would be subjected to modification and more boost when used in sanctioned racing. They felt to build an aluminum block that would hold up to their standards would require new tooling...and THAT is expensive. Using an existing or previous production block was not considered as they felt it wouldn't stand up. So the comments about holding 1200 hp are not supported by Ford engineers. Remember, they are thinking about longevity issues more than anything else. A block that would hold up to race only environments would also have to hold up to many, many miles of street use too. Ford has VERY strict guidelines as to what any new engine must perform to when it comes to these issues. If it won't perform to these, they have no choice but to look elsewhere. The 4.6 aluminum didn't pass these tests.

yeasure

Don't you love it when people don't understand that ford is using different blocks and their brothers girlfriends dads uncle that works for ford told him this or that.

It's "FACT" the "Teksid" blocks are the "STRONGEST" factory blocks unless ford has a better casting now(aka The FordGT block).
If you'll look around(try SHM for an example) you'll notice they sell the older blocks, why, because they are the strongest and it's not only SHM.

Now don't take this like i'm saying the cast iron blocks are crap, they're not, just stating Facts.
Heres something to look at.....

Blocks are as follows......
1. 99 Cobra
2. 96-98 Cobra and 94-98 Lincoln RWD
3. 03 Cobra
4. 01 Explorer
5. 98 up 2V iron block
6. pre 98 2V iron block
John Mihovetz

hpbyherman

97 cobra aluminum block being used in my new engine
will hold over 1,000 h.p. easy.....when prepped correctly...hermann

Hissman

The 98 Aluminum cobra block will easily handle 1200 hp. I am having Ported and polished 04 Cobra heads, and a 2.3 Whipple charger installed as well as all of the other necessary upgrades. We are shooting for 600 rwhp just to keep it streetable. It is also going to be stroked to 5.0 liters. These blocks are plenty strong enough.Hi Mark, is the teksid aluminum block the same in the Mustang GT, as in the 96-97-98-99 Cobra? See some comments below. The Alum vs Iron seems to be an old argument.


CobraKindaGuy

Price had nothing to do with it. The first pre-production design of the 03 Cobra with the blower added did use an aluminum block but the extreme heat caused by the blower was causing the heads to warp and develop fine cracks in the cylinder walls. So they had to go with the cast iron block to eliminate this problem since they did not have enough time to address the heat problems given their projected production date.

Oh Three Cobra

Yea, it would have been cheeper for ford to use the current aluminum block than to cast a new iron block. I herd that in testing they damaged an aluminum block which they initially planned to use. Anyone ever see the video of the supercharged 99-01 cobra racing a z06 that cracks the block?

FireRed04Vert

This iron vs aluminum argument will never end. I have a good friend who is a software engineer for Ford (designs EEC software) He told me the conversations that went on inside of Ford about this subject were very heated at times. Ford WANTED to go aluminum for the weight factor (hence CAFE) But they felt there might be a durability issue because they knew these engines would be subjected to modification and more boost when used in sanctioned racing. They felt to build an aluminum block that would hold up to their standards would require new tooling...and THAT is expensive. Using an existing or previous production block was not considered as they felt it wouldn't stand up. So the comments about holding 1200 hp are not supported by Ford engineers. Remember, they are thinking about longevity issues more than anything else. A block that would hold up to race only environments would also have to hold up to many, many miles of street use too. Ford has VERY strict guidelines as to what any new engine must perform to when it comes to these issues. If it won't perform to these, they have no choice but to look elsewhere. The 4.6 aluminum didn't pass these tests.

yeasure

Don't you love it when people don't understand that ford is using different blocks and their brothers girlfriends dads uncle that works for ford told him this or that.

It's "FACT" the "Teksid" blocks are the "STRONGEST" factory blocks unless ford has a better casting now(aka The FordGT block).
If you'll look around(try SHM for an example) you'll notice they sell the older blocks, why, because they are the strongest and it's not only SHM.

Now don't take this like i'm saying the cast iron blocks are crap, they're not, just stating Facts.
Heres something to look at.....

Blocks are as follows......
1. 99 Cobra
2. 96-98 Cobra and 94-98 Lincoln RWD
3. 03 Cobra
4. 01 Explorer
5. 98 up 2V iron block
6. pre 98 2V iron block
John Mihovetz

hpbyherman

97 cobra aluminum block being used in my new engine
will hold over 1,000 h.p. easy.....when prepped correctly...hermann

Hissman

The 98 Aluminum cobra block will easily handle 1200 hp. I am having Ported and polished 04 Cobra heads, and a 2.3 Whipple charger installed as well as all of the other necessary upgrades. We are shooting for 600 rwhp just to keep it streetable. It is also going to be stroked to 5.0 liters. These blocks are plenty strong enough.
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I've always read that an Iron block is best for the stress caused by a SC/blower/etc...
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Here's what modularfords.com had to say when they investigated.

Aftermarket high density alloy aluminum blocks are also on the market and offer many advantages like thicker decks and ribbed valleys for added strength, just to mention a few. Bore sizes can now safely be made 3.700 with pan rail clearance for up to 4.500 stroke crankshafts. These blocks are available in 4.6L and 5.4L deck heights for all your performance needs, provided you have $5000.00 handy. Some have brought up the use of a Teksid aluminum block as a replacement for the cast iron blocks commonly found in Mustang GT applications. Some aftermarket engine builders even feel this block is as strong or stronger then the iron blocks. Teksid is the casting foundry used by Ford and this block is no more then a stock aluminum Ford block.

In researching the aluminum block strength issue it really comes down to who you ask. When we spoke to sources at Ford, the simple answer was Ford did not use this aluminum block in the supercharged 03-04 Cobra because it felt spending the time to run the aluminum block through its extensive engine block durability test was not even worth the time, as they felt based on experience it would never pass.

I guess its who you talk to!
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