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Old 02-02-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default COBRA blower on 1998 Mustang GT

I have been cruising the e-bay auctions for mustang blowers. I have noticed quite a few stock blowers off of 03-04 SVT Cobras for sale. These can be had for 200-600 just the blower. I have checked and found a company that makes a manifold to match this blower with my 98 GT. Only problem is that they want $2800 just for the manifold. So if I got a decent deal on the blower itself, say $300, then add a manifold for $2800 I am into it for $3100 plus tune, right?

Are there other parts I would need to make this work?

Is this a good use of resources or would I be better off just to pony up another 2K and buy a ready made kit off the shelf?

Are there any cheaper manifolds out there?

Could this money be put to better use on something else for a power boost?

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I wouldnt unless I could find a better deal around 2k. $600 more and you could have a procharger with intercooler adn everything you need.
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What is the name of the company? Your also gonna need injectors and a fuel pump, which would run about $500 new.
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It will cost you a fortune!! Your better off just getting a new blower package complete.
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Hi guys! This is a question for Julian, and FunkyBoss. What do you guys think about the durability of an Aluminum block engine under boost versus a Iron block? I've read that Superchargers, and Aluminum blocks don't mix too well.

This is why Ford released the 03/04 Terminator with a cast Iron block.
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What is the name of the company? Your also gonna need injectors and a fuel pump, which would run about $500 new.
Hogans Racing. It seems that they will build a manifold for just about anything.
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Hi guys! This is a question for Julian, and FunkyBoss. What do you guys think about the durability of an Aluminum block engine under boost versus a Iron block? I've read that Superchargers, and Aluminum blocks don't mix too well.

This is why Ford released the 03/04 Terminator with a cast Iron block.
From what I've heard, the teskid block in my Cobra will handle upwards of 1000 rwhp and is light weight. Haven't heard much about the iron blocks, but there are tons of 03/04 Cobra's out there pushing major HP!
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It will cost you a fortune!! Your better off just getting a new blower package complete.
My son asked me(for his '99 Cobra) the same thing-I asked a fella I met at the shop where I was doing a dyno tune on my car that has done all kinds of swapping around and he told me that "Yeah,it'll bolt on-But there are SO many supporting parts to go along with it,it costs a fortune to do it"
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Yeah you'd need the blower, manifold, injectors, fuel pump, MAF, throttle body, intercooler, intercooler pump, heat exchanger and all the mounting hardware/hoses that go with all that. You'd probably end up with as much invested as a KB unit at that point.
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Hi guys! This is a question for Julian, and FunkyBoss. What do you guys think about the durability of an Aluminum block engine under boost versus a Iron block? I've read that Superchargers, and Aluminum blocks don't mix too well.

This is why Ford released the 03/04 Terminator with a cast Iron block.
No, they used an iron block to save money... a teskid alum block is stronger than any iron block produced.
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No, they used an iron block to save money... a teskid alum block is stronger than any iron block produced.
Yeah, well I guess its all who you talk to. Take a look at the following excert from "Modular Fords".


Aftermarket high density alloy aluminum blocks are also on the market and offer many advantages like thicker decks and ribbed valleys for added strength, just to mention a few. Bore sizes can now safely be made 3.700 with pan rail clearance for up to 4.500 stroke crankshafts. These blocks are available in 4.6L and 5.4L deck heights for all your performance needs, provided you have $5000.00 handy. Some have brought up the use of a Teksid aluminum block as a replacement for the cast iron blocks commonly found in Mustang GT applications. Some aftermarket engine builders even feel this block is as strong or stronger then the iron blocks. Teksid is the casting foundry used by Ford and this block is no more then a stock aluminum Ford block.

In researching the aluminum block strength issue it really comes down to who you ask. When we spoke to sources at Ford, the simple answer was Ford did not use this aluminum block in the supercharged 03-04 Cobra because it felt spending the time to run the aluminum block through its extensive engine block durability test was not even worth the time, as they felt based on experience it would never pass.

So again it is all in who you speak to. Use your judgment, and the judgment of Ford to come to your decision.
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Yeah, well I guess its all who you talk to. Take a look at the following excert from "Modular Fords".


Aftermarket high density alloy aluminum blocks are also on the market and offer many advantages like thicker decks and ribbed valleys for added strength, just to mention a few. Bore sizes can now safely be made 3.700 with pan rail clearance for up to 4.500 stroke crankshafts. These blocks are available in 4.6L and 5.4L deck heights for all your performance needs, provided you have $5000.00 handy. Some have brought up the use of a Teksid aluminum block as a replacement for the cast iron blocks commonly found in Mustang GT applications. Some aftermarket engine builders even feel this block is as strong or stronger then the iron blocks. Teksid is the casting foundry used by Ford and this block is no more then a stock aluminum Ford block.

In researching the aluminum block strength issue it really comes down to who you ask. When we spoke to sources at Ford, the simple answer was Ford did not use this aluminum block in the supercharged 03-04 Cobra because it felt spending the time to run the aluminum block through its extensive engine block durability test was not even worth the time, as they felt based on experience it would never pass.

So again it is all in who you speak to. Use your judgment, and the judgment of Ford to come to your decision.
It's been proven... Myself and many others have put these blocks ot very rigourous tasks, and found the teskid to be stronger than any production iron block. Milhovitz and Dave king have both pushed the aluminum block to 1600+hp (J.M is currently running his at 2100hp).
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It's been proven... Myself and many others have put these blocks ot very rigourous tasks, and found the teskid to be stronger than any production iron block. Milhovitz and Dave king have both pushed the aluminum block to 1600+hp (J.M is currently running his at 2100hp).
Hi Mark, is the teksid aluminum block the same in the Mustang GT, as in the 96-97-98-99 Cobra? See some comments below. The Alum vs Iron seems to be an old argument.


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Price had nothing to do with it. The first pre-production design of the 03 Cobra with the blower added did use an aluminum block but the extreme heat caused by the blower was causing the heads to warp and develop fine cracks in the cylinder walls. So they had to go with the cast iron block to eliminate this problem since they did not have enough time to address the heat problems given their projected production date.

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Yea, it would have been cheeper for ford to use the current aluminum block than to cast a new iron block. I herd that in testing they damaged an aluminum block which they initially planned to use. Anyone ever see the video of the supercharged 99-01 cobra racing a z06 that cracks the block?

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This iron vs aluminum argument will never end. I have a good friend who is a software engineer for Ford (designs EEC software) He told me the conversations that went on inside of Ford about this subject were very heated at times. Ford WANTED to go aluminum for the weight factor (hence CAFE) But they felt there might be a durability issue because they knew these engines would be subjected to modification and more boost when used in sanctioned racing. They felt to build an aluminum block that would hold up to their standards would require new tooling...and THAT is expensive. Using an existing or previous production block was not considered as they felt it wouldn't stand up. So the comments about holding 1200 hp are not supported by Ford engineers. Remember, they are thinking about longevity issues more than anything else. A block that would hold up to race only environments would also have to hold up to many, many miles of street use too. Ford has VERY strict guidelines as to what any new engine must perform to when it comes to these issues. If it won't perform to these, they have no choice but to look elsewhere. The 4.6 aluminum didn't pass these tests.

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Don't you love it when people don't understand that ford is using different blocks and their brothers girlfriends dads uncle that works for ford told him this or that.

It's "FACT" the "Teksid" blocks are the "STRONGEST" factory blocks unless ford has a better casting now(aka The FordGT block).
If you'll look around(try SHM for an example) you'll notice they sell the older blocks, why, because they are the strongest and it's not only SHM.

Now don't take this like i'm saying the cast iron blocks are crap, they're not, just stating Facts.
Heres something to look at.....

Blocks are as follows......
1. 99 Cobra
2. 96-98 Cobra and 94-98 Lincoln RWD
3. 03 Cobra
4. 01 Explorer
5. 98 up 2V iron block
6. pre 98 2V iron block
John Mihovetz

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97 cobra aluminum block being used in my new engine
will hold over 1,000 h.p. easy.....when prepped correctly...hermann

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The 98 Aluminum cobra block will easily handle 1200 hp. I am having Ported and polished 04 Cobra heads, and a 2.3 Whipple charger installed as well as all of the other necessary upgrades. We are shooting for 600 rwhp just to keep it streetable. It is also going to be stroked to 5.0 liters. These blocks are plenty strong enough.
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