I keep seeing 350Z's around town and I want to race one pretty bad, but don't know if I cold take one. I know I could hang with one, especially reading the stats from an old motor trend I have. Supposedly I am just a pinch faster in stock trim. Anywho just looking for some input.
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Bassani x-pipe Catted, Flowmasters, CAI, March UDPs, Steeda Tri-ax, Functional Hood scoop, Matrix lowering springs, Steeda C/C plates, Roush LCA, Alpine-9885 Head Unit.
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You would lose. They have more power, beter gearing, and lighter weight. They are on par with a S197. Ofcourse this is assuming the person in the 350Z knows how to drive and is willign to push it.
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2006 Mustang GT in Torch Red
C&L Intake, Evolution Performance Tune, Borla Axle Backs, Hurst Shifter, 4.10's, JBA Long Tubes, Prothane Engine Mounts, Steeda UDPs, FRPP Charge Motion Delete Plates
From what I have experienced is I think they are so afraid to race and find out they have waisted their money that you might not even be able get one to even line up. I have seen a few take off and have not been impressed. I think they do not take the car up into enough RPM's like they are afraid to blow up the car, because the redline is so high like the Honda S2000. I by no means am trying to knock the 03-04 cobras but I have seen the same thing with even modified ones that go beaten by slower cars because they don't know how or are afraid to redline the car to get the full potential. It is almost like most of the VETT guys, a lot of them wont even look at you for fear their 45K was waisted after getting beat by a guy with a less expensive car.
They are close in numbers, but if they have better gearing, and can launch and stay in their powerband then they got me. I'll try to race one at the track. Then I'll try again with better gearing.
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Bassani x-pipe Catted, Flowmasters, CAI, March UDPs, Steeda Tri-ax, Functional Hood scoop, Matrix lowering springs, Steeda C/C plates, Roush LCA, Alpine-9885 Head Unit.
2003 F150 Sport 4X4 4.6-SOLD
1999 F150 Xlt Flaresode 4.6-SOLD
the 350z...i'll stop short of calling that car a joke but i would be absolutely shocked if you couldnt beat it...stock to stock i have beaten them each and every time...they have never been a concern of mine....dont get them confused with the g35 though...the g35 is a bit harder...that one might give ya a headache but the 350 is firmly etched onto my list of cars to look for after a viper smokes me...
oops...i didnt read deep enough...i thought you had the s197 gt...uh...okay they might hurt ya a lil in a 2001 gt....get the gears bro...i'm a huge huge fan of gears...best bang for buck and the one mod short of the heavy stuff that you'll feel as you drive it from the mechanic
From a dig, you should be able to stay ahead for a while, but at some point, (75-80 MPH?) it may creep past you. Those cars get the job done at higher speeds.
But in a first and second gear pull, the Mustang is king. I beat one up an on ramp one time, and I ain't got no 260 horsepower.
I think they have a special edition that's faster than the rest, but there prolly aren't alot of them out there.
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I'll take the torque over the HP any day. 99+ GT's have beaten 350's pretty regular from what I've seen.
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I Think getting one from a dig will yield you the best results because of the Torque advantage, but as said above they need to be revved to get the power out of them.
I drove one and it was quick. I also have beaten one with a LT1 Z-28, but I had a 6-speed as well and it had a 3.42 gear, but I got him on a Roll at 50mph. I left him at 120 when I shifted to 5th and I still had the Torque to pull. Mods on the LT1 at the Time were a Moroso CAI, Flomaster Cat-back, and 93 Octane Tune. It was nose to nose up until I grabed 5th and I was slowly pulling away and my LT1 was in Prime running condition so maybe that would help you to gage what your results would be.
Personally with numbers that close tis really a drivers race. Just stay away from the twisties.
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300hp 350z = Pretty quick if they rev the snot out of the engine
287hp 350z = Slower than an rx-8... I've smoked a few of these clowns
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1965 Chevy c-10 350 chevy getting pulled for 402BBC and Th400
1984 Caprice Classic 305 getting pulled for mild 350, hoping for high 14s
I keep seeing 350Z's around town and I want to race one pretty bad, but don't know if I cold take one. I know I could hang with one, especially reading the stats from an old motor trend I have. Supposedly I am just a pinch faster in stock trim. Anywho just looking for some input.
Lets see what the specs say...
Your GT coupe weighs 3347#, while his Z weights a lot more at 3815#. Definite edge to the stang.
His standard hp output is 287hp, and with your mods, you are making about the same. Call it even on hp.
His torque output is 274#, while yours is somewhere around 320#. Another definite edge to the stang, particularly with your lighter weight.
All things being equal, I'd say that even a stone stock GT with just 260hp would still have a better power/weight ratio, and a lot more torque.
Close race, but the edge in a drag race would go to the car with the lighter weight and the torque.
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Your GT coupe weighs 3347#, while his Z weights a lot more at 3815#. Definite edge to the stang.
His standard hp output is 287hp, and with your mods, you are making about the same. Call it even on hp.
His torque output is 274#, while yours is somewhere around 320#. Another definite edge to the stang, particularly with your lighter weight.
All things being equal, I'd say that even a stone stock GT with just 260hp would still have a better power/weight ratio, and a lot more torque.
Close race, but the edge in a drag race would go to the car with the lighter weight and the torque.
tripleblack, where did you get the info on the z? from everything ive seen, coupe vs coupe, the z is lighter than the stang by around 100-200lbs.
there was a post earlier about there being a "special edition" z, and its true, but it was only out for 05, it was the 35th anniversary Z.
03-05 Z made 287hp and 274tq and rev to 6k
05 anniversary Z,and all 06+ Zs made 300hp and 268tq, and rev up to 7k
my car has 218rwhp (modded 98gt, stock intake/exhaust manifolds, cams, heads), and my friends 05 Anniversary Z made 238rwhp bone stock, didnt even have an intake kit or filter.
my car made 284rwtq, his made 218rwtq. at the 1/8mile, his car came it at 9.4-5, mine came in at 9.2-3 on average, and i always beat him out of the hole until i shifted into 3rd, tahts where he started catching up. on the freeways from around a 60mph roll, its not until i hit 4th gear that he starts to pass me, in the mean time i am neck-to-neck with him.
stock vs stock, the 01 GT (5spd) should be able to beat him, but barely. but then again, who keeps mustangs un-modded for long? as for the Z, more than likely it will be stock seeing as to how its $$ to mod it ($1k+ for a catback...)
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Last edited by reivaxtorres; 02-12-2007 at 01:30 PM.
Reason: typo, lol
Gross weight on the Z is listed as 3815# (this is the weight of the standard coupe - the "enthusiast" coupe runs about a hundred pounds more with bigger brakes, suspension, etc.) I just noticed that there was no gross weight listed for the Mustang, (they are placed in the same slot on the page, so I grabbed the wrong one) so that's part of the problem. So if just the curb weight is used, the Z is 3188.
Which is indeed lighter than the 3347# mustang (159 pounds).
Sorry for the confusion - my mistake.
With the questioners' modifications, I still suspect it would be a horserace with a stock Z.
From the information on Edmunds, the Z's come in the following versions, plus 2 types of convertibles:
1. Standard
2. Enthusiast
3. Performance
4. Track
Edmunds agrees - as I posted above, the Z's power output is stock at 287 hp, and 274 ft# of torque.
The modifications the questioner listed would proabably add about 25 hp to the 260 his car had from the factory. He would also see some increase in his stock torque of 302 ft#. Finally, removing all those catalytic converters would save considerable weight as well.
I bet if your car was a 99 or later, you would give him a run for his money stock (he has to overcome that torque advantage off the line), though he would probably overhaul you down the stretch with that extra horsepower. The weight differential would make only a slight difference - perhaps a tenth of a second.
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Originally Posted by reivaxtorres
tripleblack, where did you get the info on the z? from everything ive seen, coupe vs coupe, the z is lighter than the stang by around 100-200lbs.
there was a post earlier about there being a "special edition" z, and its true, but it was only out for 05, it was the 35th anniversary Z.
03-05 Z made 287hp and 274tq and rev to 6k
05 anniversary Z,and all 06+ Zs made 300hp and 268tq, and rev up to 7k
my car has 218rwhp (modded 98gt, stock intake/exhaust manifolds, cams, heads), and my friends 05 Anniversary Z made 238rwhp bone stock, didnt even have an intake kit or filter.
my car made 284rwtq, his made 218rwtq. at the 1/8mile, his car came it at 9.4-5, mine came in at 9.2-3 on average, and i always beat him out of the hole until i shifted into 3rd, tahts where he started catching up. on the freeways from around a 60mph roll, its not until i hit 4th gear that he starts to pass me, in the mean time i am neck-to-neck with him.
stock vs stock, the 01 GT (5spd) should be able to beat him, but barely. but then again, who keeps mustangs un-modded for long? as for the Z, more than likely it will be stock seeing as to how its $$ to mod it ($1k+ for a catback...)
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tripleblack
"You can never be free until you let yourself go."
I wasn't impressed with the 350z. My friend has one with exhaust and intake (no tune). My stang with intake and exhaust (no tune as well). My stang beat his car from dig till about 85. Up top, it creeps up very slowly. Againts my almost stock SRT-4 it didn't stand a chance up top. 350z has a good overall balance. However IMO you pay too much for that car with what you get.
Gross weight on the Z is listed as 3815# (this is the weight of the standard coupe - the "enthusiast" coupe runs about a hundred pounds more with bigger brakes, suspension, etc.) I just noticed that there was no gross weight listed for the Mustang, (they are placed in the same slot on the page, so I grabbed the wrong one) so that's part of the problem. So if just the curb weight is used, the Z is 3188.
Which is indeed lighter than the 3347# mustang (159 pounds).
Sorry for the confusion - my mistake.
With the questioners' modifications, I still suspect it would be a horserace with a stock Z.
From the information on Edmunds, the Z's come in the following versions, plus 2 types of convertibles:
1. Standard
2. Enthusiast
3. Performance
4. Track
Edmunds agrees - as I posted above, the Z's power output is stock at 287 hp, and 274 ft# of torque.
The modifications the questioner listed would proabably add about 25 hp to the 260 his car had from the factory. He would also see some increase in his stock torque of 302 ft#. Finally, removing all those catalytic converters would save considerable weight as well.
I bet if your car was a 99 or later, you would give him a run for his money stock (he has to overcome that torque advantage off the line), though he would probably overhaul you down the stretch with that extra horsepower. The weight differential would make only a slight difference - perhaps a tenth of a second.
oh, i agree, with a 99+ car and the mods i have, i would have beat my friend.
and i didnt mean to sound rude or anything in my post above, i was just wondering if i had been misinfored and been giving out the wrong info.
tripleblack, i agree with edmunds also on the hp & tq numbers, but thats for the 03-05 versions only. the 06+ (and the 35th anniversary edition) Zs all came with a 300hp/260tq(i was wrong earlier, apparently its 260tq, not 268) engine, according to my friends window sticker/dealer info and Nissan 350Z Full Review.
with his mods, in the 1/4 mile, with his mods, i will be very surprised if a Z beats him.
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2001 Mustang GT beat a 350Z? 
