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Hey guys. Just found out that the intake manifolds on all 4.6 SOHC engines were recalled back in 2000 when they started to use the plastic manifold. Shortly after that recall there was a class action lawsuit against Ford for them to replace all of the manifolds for the next 7 years. Well that recall was up about 4 months ago and now I'm having major problems with my manifold. Just wanted to bring this to all of your attention because I'm thinking about filing the same lawsuit for extension of that recall again. I have a 2000 Mustang GT with only 40000 miles and I'm looking to have Ford pay for their negligiance of using a milk carton manifold. Let's talk about this guys. THanks
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take em through the ringers man... dont be kind.
 
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i dont think you can sue them anymore. the class action lawsuit had a clause in there that said ford cant be sued for the same thing again, so long as there was due diligence to contact all owners affected by this lawsuit (it wasnt ford's responsibility to notify the owners, it was the plantiff's lawyer/attorney's responsibility). my car was affected by it, and i got plenty of notices in the mail and was included in the lawsuit, tho i didnt get anything out of it.

what exactly are the problems you are having with the manifold?
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The car's sounding like I have nasty cams in it when it's bone stock. And it's huffing really hard right in the manifold like I have a cylinder that isn't firing. The exhaust smells like straight gasoline. No coolant smell, no leaking fluids, no burning fluids from what I know. I would smell something besides gas. I'm thinking it's a big vacuum leak. I put the tube up to my ear and hold it to the bottom of the manifold right next to where the alternator pulley is and it's just making a loud hiss hiss hiss noise everytime there is a rotation of the crank. The car runs and starts everytime, and doesn't die. I'm not gonna rev it up though. I ran some diagnostics on it and the short term fuel is pretty steady and when I rev it up to 2000 it tends to stick. But that sound could be a bad coil, faulty plug, injector. But the only thing I can think of that wouldn't throw a code would be the intake manifold gasket or the manifold cracked. What you think?
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It is too late for the lawsuit I got my refund over a year ago, the intake refund was only for a small amount of time.
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The car's sounding like I have nasty cams in it when it's bone stock. And it's huffing really hard right in the manifold like I have a cylinder that isn't firing. The exhaust smells like straight gasoline. No coolant smell, no leaking fluids, no burning fluids from what I know. I would smell something besides gas. I'm thinking it's a big vacuum leak. I put the tube up to my ear and hold it to the bottom of the manifold right next to where the alternator pulley is and it's just making a loud hiss hiss hiss noise everytime there is a rotation of the crank. The car runs and starts everytime, and doesn't die. I'm not gonna rev it up though. I ran some diagnostics on it and the short term fuel is pretty steady and when I rev it up to 2000 it tends to stick. But that sound could be a bad coil, faulty plug, injector. But the only thing I can think of that wouldn't throw a code would be the intake manifold gasket or the manifold cracked. What you think?
the CEL wont turn on instantly if you have a problem, in fact most of the time it wont turn on. i had a nasty misfire due to my #4 and #3 spark plugs taking a bath in coolant, and the CEL didnt turn on until about 3-4 days AFTER i started feeling the hessitation (i thought it was an exhaust leak).

as for your problem, take the manifold off if you suspect either it or the gaskets. its really simple to do. before you do that, tho, check the plugs to make sure they havent come loose

the recall/lawsuite would only cover your manifold if it cracked or leaked from the coolant crossover.
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The stumbling I'm describing is definitely more than an exhaust leak feeling. I used to have my exhaust dumped off before the cats on the y-pipe of my LT1. And that ran incredibly smooth compared to this. I'm thinking it's the coolant crossover thing you guys are describing. Because the crossover is where all the huffing noise is coming from
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The stumbling I'm describing is definitely more than an exhaust leak feeling. I used to have my exhaust dumped off before the cats on the y-pipe of my LT1. And that ran incredibly smooth compared to this. I'm thinking it's the coolant crossover thing you guys are describing. Because the crossover is where all the huffing noise is coming from
LT1 and the modular ford engines are really different. an exhaust leak for the chevy (or dumps in your case) would be fine, probably even give it a little power. on our cars, it would cause the car to run like crap.

check the plugs and whatnot, then remove the intake (remember to drain the coolant!). a cracked manifold (non coolant section) would also give you the same problems you are having. unfortunately, this wouldnt have been covered under the lawsuite anyways.
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check the plugs yes just to be sure but im thinking its a vacuum leak at your manifold.

i would take it off and put some RTV Black gasket sealant around it. that stuff works wonders. it will solve the problem instantly. make sure you dont get it in your intake though
 
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I'm just gonna get a new set of felpro gaskets instead. I'm not sure if I should use gasket seal. Won't it get sucked into the intake and cause problems in the future? I'm gonna get this all taken care of over this week. How do I remove the fuel rail?
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Ah so I was right. Sorry man, I didn't disconnect my fuel rail. I just loosened it and removed the injectors. RTV Black is what I would try first, intake side only.
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get OE gaskets from ford or dont use anything, it will have the same effect. as for the RTV, you dont need it if you are just replacing the gaskets and there is nothing else wrong with the intake.

for the fuel rails, you need to remove the fuel lines coming in from the passanger side fender (get the tools from autozone, $3 tops). then the injectors just pop off the manifold. KEEP THE INJECTORS CONNECTED TO THE FUEL RAIL. this will prevent damage to the o-rings and make things a lot easier. once the injectors pop out of the manifold, you can remove all 8 injectors plus the fuel rails from the car at the same time. be careful of fuel that will leak out, as it may hurt the paint on the car.
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Hey guys. Just found out that the intake manifolds on all 4.6 SOHC engines were recalled back in 2000 when they started to use the plastic manifold. Shortly after that recall there was a class action lawsuit against Ford for them to replace all of the manifolds for the next 7 years. Well that recall was up about 4 months ago and now I'm having major problems with my manifold. Just wanted to bring this to all of your attention because I'm thinking about filing the same lawsuit for extension of that recall again. I have a 2000 Mustang GT with only 40000 miles and I'm looking to have Ford pay for their negligiance of using a milk carton manifold. Let's talk about this guys. THanks
Same here. I called Ford and to sum it up had to pay $735 to have it replaced.
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