I agree the 03-04 isn't the only option, yeah you get Manley Rods and OK pistons but your also using a heavier iron block.
Teksids with Forged Internals are the way to go!
yeah im gunna look to try and buy a 01 cobra motor. it just saves alot of hassle. teksid block... so thats good. I'm not doing this for a while anyways. So i got time to search, and to think. I wanna try and find an 01 cobra motor with 60k or less on it.
I agree the 03-04 isn't the only option, yeah you get Manley Rods and OK pistons but your also using a heavier iron block.
Teksids with Forged Internals are the way to go!
If you are running serious boost then its the god honest truth that 03-04 is superior to any thing else. The 500hp your running is fine one your block but if you need a 03-04 Block on for the Iron and two for the oil nozzles that spray down the rotating assembly. The fact that you can forge the internals is only half of the equation. But all of this only matters with serious boost. A fellow member of the Mustang Club of SD is running a 03 Mach w/ like 18psi and at that point his old 32v would probably blow up on the dyno so he runs an 03-04 Block and Eaton. He has mid 600's at the wheels and mid 700's at crank.
For discussion of a swap if you start of with a 03-04 you can throw 20+psi or something ridiculous at it. While other 32V shouldn't go much past 10psi to be safe MAYBE 12 tops but thats pushing if its stock. A teskid block can be modified to handle a good about of boost but I guess what Im saying is stock vs stock swap a 03-04 is best. But if this level of boost is not what your interested in that either one is just fine. To be honest, between the two, Ill probably swap a Teskid block into my Mustang simply because I dont need 700 crank hp in my daily driver
man our discussion should be a gold mine for any one choosing between these options
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If you are running serious boost then its the god honest truth that 03-04 is superior to any thing else. The 500hp your running is fine one your block but if you need a 03-04 Block on for the Iron and two for the oil nozzles that spray down the rotating assembly. The fact that you can forge the internals is only half of the equation. But all of this only matters with serious boost. A fellow member of the Mustang Club of SD is running a 03 Mach w/ like 18psi and at that point his old 32v would probably blow up on the dyno so he runs an 03-04 Block and Eaton. He has mid 600's at the wheels and mid 700's at crank.
For discussion of a swap if you start of with a 03-04 you can throw 20+psi or something ridiculous at it. While other 32V shouldn't go much past 10psi to be safe MAYBE 12 tops but thats pushing if its stock. A teskid block can be modified to handle a good about of boost but I guess what Im saying is stock vs stock swap a 03-04 is best. But if this level of boost is not what your interested in that either one is just fine. To be honest, between the two, Ill probably swap a Teskid block into my Mustang simply because I dont need 700 crank hp in my daily driver
man our discussion should be a gold mine for any one choosing between these options
haha definetly a gold mine. I really think i am going to just go with a teksid block. either a mach, or 99/01 cobra motor. Considering all im looking to get is at most 500 hp at the wheels. I will probably buy that motor and put it in, and just lean it out with a few bolt ons and probably longtubes and drive it that way for a bit then maybe a year later throw a procharger on it. the 2v motor just aint cutting it for me against my buddies LS1's and im not gunna have them keep telling me that chevy is superior. i need to smack them around :P.
The 99-01 Cobra or 03-04 Mach 1 5sp will work great and fine with low boost. The iron block in the 03-04 was mainly to help FORD not sweet to much with these, though, the Teskid can handle, what, a 1000HP or 1300HP, around that. Also like brutal metal said..the 03-04 has ok pistons. Tigh clearance and a piston that likes to swell when to much heat is applied is never a good thing. But, usually it's due to alot of 5/6th gear runs back to back.
A teskid with good forged internals will work just as great and will be lighter on the front end. I still think Ford should have went that route with the Terminators.
You can throw 20 PSI at a Terminator but A. you need a Twin screw or a race ported Eaton, B it's all about the tune. You make it fat and happy and it'll make you happy.
Also Mach 1 with 18PSI and with their higher compression isn't good anyways. A Mach 1 with a Cobra motor pushing over 600 can't have a eaton. Most race ported Eatons push around or close to mid 500's with supporting mods. Unless he has an Eaton and Nitrous.
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If you are running serious boost then its the god honest truth that 03-04 is superior to any thing else. The 500hp your running is fine one your block but if you need a 03-04 Block on for the Iron and two for the oil nozzles that spray down the rotating assembly. The fact that you can forge the internals is only half of the equation. But all of this only matters with serious boost. A fellow member of the Mustang Club of SD is running a 03 Mach w/ like 18psi and at that point his old 32v would probably blow up on the dyno so he runs an 03-04 Block and Eaton. He has mid 600's at the wheels and mid 700's at crank.
For discussion of a swap if you start of with a 03-04 you can throw 20+psi or something ridiculous at it. While other 32V shouldn't go much past 10psi to be safe MAYBE 12 tops but thats pushing if its stock. A teskid block can be modified to handle a good about of boost but I guess what Im saying is stock vs stock swap a 03-04 is best. But if this level of boost is not what your interested in that either one is just fine. To be honest, between the two, Ill probably swap a Teskid block into my Mustang simply because I dont need 700 crank hp in my daily driver
man our discussion should be a gold mine for any one choosing between these options
I respectfully disagree with these statements!!
A Teksid Block studded can safely handle over 1000 HP!
And yes 12 pounds of Boost is about all the 99-01 Rod bolts can handle but I know guys running 20+ psi with Teksids that are built! And I don't know of ANY Eatons that have cracked 600 RW without Nitrous!
The 99-01 Cobra or 03-04 Mach 1 5sp will work great and fine with low boost. The iron block in the 03-04 was mainly to help FORD not sweet to much with these, though, the Teskid can handle, what, a 1000HP or 1300HP, around that. Also like brutal metal said..the 03-04 has ok pistons. Tigh clearance and a piston that likes to swell when to much heat is applied is never a good thing. But, usually it's due to alot of 5/6th gear runs back to back.
A teskid with good forged internals will work just as great and will be lighter on the front end. I still think Ford should have went that route with the Terminators.
You can throw 20 PSI at a Terminator but A. you need a Twin screw or a race ported Eaton, B it's all about the tune. You make it fat and happy and it'll make you happy.
Also Mach 1 with 18PSI and with their higher compression isn't good anyways. A Mach 1 with a Cobra motor pushing over 600 can't have a eaton. Most race ported Eatons push around or close to mid 500's with supporting mods. Unless he has an Eaton and Nitrous.
so your saying my best bet is too get an 01 cobra motor? if im planning on procharging it for prolly 500 rwhp in the future?
so your saying my best bet is too get an 01 cobra motor? if im planning on procharging it for prolly 500 rwhp in the future?
99 or 01 cobra will definitley work. With 500rwhp, the stock rods probably won't last to long. If you get forged pistons and rods though, 500rwhp or more with a good tune will be great/safe.
But if you get it and put bolt on's and so on, it will be safe with the stock internals untill you SC for 500+
With low boost, you should be safe with the stock rods, about 450rwhp. But i've seen stock rods last for awhile on 450rwhp and i've seen some that crapped out not to much longer with 450rwhp. it's 50/50 with stock internals.
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A Mach 1 with a Cobra motor pushing over 600 can't have a eaton. Most race ported Eatons push around or close to mid 500's with supporting mods. Unless he has an Eaton and Nitrous.
Okay well thats what he put down on the dyno and I trust him w/o question. Every mustanger and San Diego seems to know his car too the thing is insane. I mean from the outside it looks like a sweat Mach (still custom fit the shaker and everything) but its a complete beast under that. Its the only Mustang Ive scene who cant even run front wheel wells because the car's wheel base has been extended and his all maximum motorsports suspension is lower than mm's own race car (which stumped maximum motorsports and thought he was lying lol)
What do you guys think I don't like the Teskid or something? No Its a great motor w/o question but a look into the past tells me SVT went to Iron for one reason... the teskid block didn't handle the boost and were actually destroying and cracking them on dyno so they WAY over engineered it with all the goodies I've already mentioned.
And I know you can get crazy good numbers with a built teskid. But for a swap where you dont tear the whole thing apart and rebuild a 03-04 is a better option for someone who will go serious boost. Thats my whole point.
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the only issue i have with going with the 03-04 motor is..... it wont line up with my tranny..... so now im looking into buying practically an entire drivetrain rather than jsut a motor. a terminator drivetrain is going for like 10 g's. i cant cant afford that. I think im going to buy an 01 cobra motor. throw some bolt ons and a tune at it. leave it for a while (car will be quick, i have 3.73's, and exhaust, and a brand new performance clutch and steel flywheel with 5k on them). then throw some motor bolt ons at it and a tune, the car will be quick. then some time later, maybe a year or so. ill have the money and throw a vortech at it, or a procharger. ill run low boost till i get the money to beef whatever internals i need to, then up the boost. sound like a plan? i think so. haha
the only issue i have with going with the 03-04 motor is..... it wont line up with my tranny..... so now im looking into buying practically an entire drivetrain rather than jsut a motor. a terminator drivetrain is going for like 10 g's. i cant cant afford that. I think im going to buy an 01 cobra motor. throw some bolt ons and a tune at it. leave it for a while (car will be quick, i have 3.73's, and exhaust, and a brand new performance clutch and steel flywheel with 5k on them). then throw some motor bolt ons at it and a tune, the car will be quick. then some time later, maybe a year or so. ill have the money and throw a vortech at it, or a procharger. ill run low boost till i get the money to beef whatever internals i need to, then up the boost. sound like a plan? i think so. haha
yep sounds like a good plan pretty close to what I would probably do but thats a secret
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Okay well thats what he put down on the dyno and I trust him w/o question. Every mustanger and San Diego seems to know his car too the thing is insane. I mean from the outside it looks like a sweat Mach (still custom fit the shaker and everything) but its a complete beast under that. Its the only Mustang Ive scene who cant even run front wheel wells because the car's wheel base has been extended and his all maximum motorsports suspension is lower than mm's own race car (which stumped maximum motorsports and thought he was lying lol)
What do you guys think I don't like the Teskid or something? No Its a great motor w/o question but a look into the past tells me SVT went to Iron for one reason... the teskid block didn't handle the boost and were actually destroying and cracking them on dyno so they WAY over engineered it with all the goodies I've already mentioned.
And I know you can get crazy good numbers with a built teskid. But for a swap where you dont tear the whole thing apart and rebuild a 03-04 is a better option for someone who will go serious boost. Thats my whole point.
OK so this guy has a Mach1 with an Eaton Swap putting down over 600RW on the Dyno?? PLEASE have this guy post on here, I wanna see that graph. I'm sure Steg and Posi would love to see it too since their the best Eaton Porters and haven't yet reached that plateau without squeeze! Sorry but I'm Very skeptical, trust me I see these cars on Dynos weekly and I know what they put down!!
And the reason Ford went with an Iron Block had LOTS to do with availability, the Italian Teksids from the Ferrari plant stopped being produced mid 01 and late production run 01 Cobras went with the aluminum WAP blocks, and I'd enjoy reading a link about where these blocks didn't handle Boost and were cracking, I know that didn't come from any inhouse testing at SVT? Where was it cracking? The cylinder walls are sleeved?
And saying SVT way OVER engineered the 03-04 Cobra motor?
How it uses the same Forged Crank, YES the RODS Kick Ass, Manley Forged H-Beams but the Z Pistons SUCK running over 20psi of boost the KB's and Whipples produce, like 2oo5GT said they had a problem with expanding do to heat and pressure. I've seen many pics and held them in my hand.
alrighty well next time Ill see him Ill certainly conferm what he mentioned last time we were talking. Maybe its mid 600's crank 500's rear wheels. But I could've sworn It was mid 600's at the rear's.
But we could both shoot back endless numbers and facts and this and that all day. We know what we know and Im not about to think a teskid is better for extreme boost and your not gonna buy that an 03-04 is best soooo i could share this link and that and continue on my quest to make just a simple point and opinion but to what end? Like i said we know what we know and will think what we think regardless.
Sorry 99ElecGreenGT for hijacking the thread with info and opinion overload!
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