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Unread 05-14-2010   #1 (permalink)
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Default clutch cable issue 2002 Mustang GT

hello everybody i am having issues with my clutch or clutch cable. i recently changed out my cable, quadrant and installed the firewall adjuster to my car and prior to that, the clutch, when pressing the pedal IN, would feel like it was sticking/rubbing/and had a lot of unusual tension to it. like it was rubbing against something. it would cure itself after being at the drag strip and after a couple of days, become a little more difficult to depress and it would feel sticky and not smooth.

after installing the new stuff, my cable was kind of tight and the clutch would engage pretty high up in the travel of the pedal. i messed with it and tried backing the wire out of the adjuster to make it looser a lot and finally got it down to a reasonable area, but the stickyness is back and it feels worse. when the car is off, the motion of the pedal going IN would feel fine and smooth. when turning it on, taking it out after starting it up, you can feel a very odd feeling in the pedal. almost a vibrationy feeling, but it is not a smooth engagement/disengagement of the clutch at all. after first installing the cable and everything else, the clutch responded very quickly when taking off in first and going into every gear. it was very responsive and almost felt like i had a new clutch. now it is sluggish going into first and the clutch pedal just feels awful. it feels like the cable is about to snap or something.

on the tranny, where the cable connects a plastic piece into the hole for the cable to go through to attatch to the bellhousing, the cable is rubbing on the side of that plastic cylinder that connects the black tubing onto the cable. could that be the problem?
could i have routed the cable wrong?
-i forgot the actual position of the stock cable so i threaded it through where i thought it went and it might be wrong?
could my cable be stretched?
could i have done something wrong?

also, no matter how far i back the adjuster out to loosen the cable, the TOB still spins on the shaft.

any ideas anybody? i'm almost afraid to drive the car in this condition?
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From the way you describe it, sounds like your cable is binding up somewhere. See if moving the cable around one way or another helps or makes it worse.

I think this is your issue.
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thank you very much fellow marylander. i will see what is going on with that./

if anything else comes to mind, would you or anybody be willing to add some more possible ideas?
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it's like when i touch the pedal, i can feel a hesitation that feels very grindy/vibrationy of the cable (maybe). i can feel it only in the pedal when it is running.
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I just had something similar with mine, but there was a sound with it. I could hear it making a noise when I pushed in the pedal.

I went and moved the cable around a little and it quit. You may try lubricating the cable also.
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where should i lubricate the cable? i removed the cable and routed it where i think is correct, and it got a little bit better, but it still has that funny feeling. it feels like it's binding when i even touch the pedal?
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You can lube the cable by taking it out and putting a little lube in between the cable and sheath, but if its new its not likely to help. Do you have the cable attached to the bolt that mounts under the hood in the left front? Have you checked for binding? If it only does it when it running it makes me think there may be a problem with the throwout bearing or the pressure plate. Good luck.
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well after studying the problem and trying to re-rout the cable correctly, i think i have it routed almost correctly. there used to be a lot of play in the cable above the engine. it looped upwards and bent down hard, and went near where the steering rack is, and made a hard turn over to the tranny. now it's pretty much a straight shot to the tranny, with no big loop in the cable. it definitely acts better than before, but the same vibration/binding is still there a little.

when i touch the pedal, it is more of a PULSATING feeling, like when i touch the pedal and sloooowly push it in like a milimeter at a time, i can almost feel something rotating or pulsating.

i also feel some binding at the end of pushing the pedal IN.

should i try a new cable? adjusting it? or do i need a new clutch?

and at idle, there is rapid squeek squeek squeek.

also, there is a weird metallicy, faint crunching noise when engaging the clutch in first from a stop. i don't hear it when going into 3rd or 2nd. it's like the clutch isn't catching it enough or something?
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well after studying the problem and trying to re-rout the cable correctly, i think i have it routed almost correctly.

when i touch the pedal, it is more of a PULSATING feeling, like when i touch the pedal and sloooowly push it in like a milimeter at a time, i can almost feel something rotating or pulsating.

also, there is a weird metallicy, faint crunching noise when engaging the clutch in first from a stop. i don't hear it when going into 3rd or 2nd. it's like the clutch isn't catching it enough or something?
The cable is routed correctly when it has a nice smooth loop, from firewall to clutch arm. You almost have to let it route itself.

Did you use a new Ford cable? or an Autozone special? Ford makes the best.

The sound and feel you describe actually sounds like a bad throw out bearing.
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The correct routing is from the firewall forward to next to the power steering, then it loops down and back toward the tranny. There is a bracket that bolts to the frame near the power steering to hold it in place and prevent binding. It sounds like you have it in there wrong now.
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UPDATE

when pushing the pedal in and taking it out, it is smooth as heck again. but there is a squeeking when at idle and driving, but not with the clutch in. if i sloooowly push the pedal in an inch or two, the pedal pulsates and the squeeking starts varying and in some positions becomes pretty loud.

throw out bearing?

also, when in first and taking off from a stop, there is some metallic chatter and doesn't engage rapidly in first. it has to rev a bit and chatters some, and when i hear the chatter i take the clutch out a little extra and it kind of bogs a little bit.

is the entire clutch going bad? should i spend my next mod money on a new clutch and install?

which clutch would be the best? fidanza 2.1? RAM clutch? spec stage 1? (looking on american muscle)
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basically, when taking off from a stop in first it seems really laggy. when i first installed the new cable, it engaged in first in like a second and had no issue like this at all.

another sound i hear sometimes at idle is a tick tick noise
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Sounds like time for a nerw clutch. I like Centerforce dual friction. I beat on them pretty hard, and they keep on going.
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I would go back and make sure that your cable is routed from the firewall to the power steering bracket to the transmission. I would then make sure you lube everything from the clutch pedal to the cable. Then I would pull back on clutch pedal as this will allow the pedal to adjust itself to the right position. Then when you get the next bit of mod money for your car I would change out the clutch and while your in there you almost ALWAYS want to change the throwout bearing, in your case I would DEF change it. [Make sure when you install the throwout bearing that you grease it very well. Check the flywheel while your in there as well, make sure it's good to go. Those would be the steps I would take, hope it helped.
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thanks guys i agree with you all, i think it's time for a new clutch. i'm thinking the spec 1 or ram or centerforce. i'm looking to get a relatively inexpensive one, but i think the ones i'm looking at are durable.

i'm probablyu going to pay for a shop to do it though, i just don't have all the necessary tools at home. is there a relatively easy way to do the install?
pretty sure you gotta take the engine out... but should i get an aluminum flywheel also or just get mine resurfaced?

and i would be getting a clutch kit, which includes a throwout and pilot bearing. good idea?
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