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Old 10-19-2005   #76 (permalink)
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Wow, all that from a bent plastic pipe? I have always heard that you don't want a bend before the MAF for terbulance. How come it worked ok for this case? interesting!
After reading alot about MAF sensor and how they work, they are very sensitive to turbulence, so I took it off and returned all the parts to the hardware store. (Got all my money back ) I went to do a a dyno run with the ghetto CAI, found a very rish A/F ratio, liek average 12:1, an dI'm thinking that mayeb the MAF is getting much higher readings so it pumps more gas into the cylinder, when actually, it's running normal, making the car run rich.

So instead, I went and bought K&N FIPK.

Here are some results comparing the stock intake VS K&N FIPK

Temperature today was 55.4F and the two test were done without one hour of each other. The car used is a 2001 Mustang GT. The stock intake used had the silencer removed.

I did a idle log just to see what the intake temperatures are like. Engine coolant temperatures were the same.

STOCK

IAT MAX : 92F
IAT MIN : 86F
IAT AV : 89.42722266F

ECT MAX : 202F
ECT MIN : 190F
ECT AV : 195.1125098F

MAF MAX : 522GM/S
MAF MIN : 427GM/S
MAF AV : 468.1471282GM/S

K&N FIPK
IAT MAX : 112F
IAT MIN : 90F
IAT AV : 102.4705F

ECT MAX : 202F
ECT MIN : 190F
ECT AV : 195.8300551F

MAF MAX : 565GM/S
MAF MIN : 443GM/S
MAF AV : 489.9677419GM/S

As you can see, the IAT for the K&N is higher than the stock one for obvious reasons. The K&N is fully exposed to the engine compartement as oppsed to the stock one which has a casing around the whole filter. So when the car is not moving, K&N will have a higher IAT.

Also, MAF reading for the K&N are a more than stock(better hope so ).

Here's a graph of both runs at idle for 120 seconds

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...77/41060f55.gif


The next run is a 1 mile higway run from one exit to another. I tried to keep the same speed and driving habits so the data can be relevant.

STOCK

IAT MAX : 110F
IAT MIN : 84F
IAT AV : 91.99381F

ECT MAX : 196F
ECT MIN : 190F
ECT AV : 191.8602F

MAF MAX : 19 910GM/S
MAF MIN : 538GM/S
MAF AV : 2376.385GM/S

K&N FIPK
IAT MAX : 104F
IAT MIN : 68F
IAT AV : 73.77699F

ECT MAX : 202F
ECT MIN : 188F
ECT AV : 191.5991F

MAF MAX : 20 707M/S
MAF MIN : 485GM/S
MAF AV : 2511.444GM/S

Right away you see a differene of 18F in average IATs. Since the K&N filter is more exposed, air flowing through the engine bay can be sucked in by the K&N filter. The stock filter being enclosed in a plastic shell, can only suck air from a small area, close to the fender. With K&N you can get IAT as low as 68F. So, once the car is moving, K&N IAT will dramatically drop and will ahve cooler charge than stock even though it's not a cold air intake kit, jsut the fact it can be in contact with the air outside flowing through the engine bay can reduce IAT.

Here's a graph of both runs. You can see those two fine curves, those are the VSS of both runs, in MPH, so you can see the speed are very close to each other in both runs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...77/76294e0b.gif

I've got more data but Í'm just too tired to look at it. I hope you guys frind thios useful.


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Here's a 3rd gear pull on the highway atabout the same speeds. I've also calculated the RPM curve equation and VSS curve equation.

As you can see, the acceleration with K&N is slightly higher than the stock one. K&N is increasing at a rate of 30.602 RPM/Unit time as opposed to the stock which is increasing at 30.132 RPM/Unit Time.

VSS for K&N is increasing at a rate of 0.5296 MPH/Unit Time compared to the stock's rate at 0.4906 RPM/Unit Time.

The fine red and green curves are the IAT during the run.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ar_12258_im.gif
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I have a volant intake for my stang and I love it. Plus it looks really cool sitting there in the engine cpt.
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I paid only $170 for my K&N FIPK kit and it is great I also would tell you to get the K&N. I have and 04 Mustang GT.
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I'm more confused now than ever! Can someone interpret the above info for me. Should I bother with a CAI at all or should I just put the K&N drop in replacement filter in it and discard the silencer.

Steve

P.S. It's for my stock '03 GT automatic.
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Where's the cheapest place online to get the FIPK system?
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Check out www.jlttruecoldair.com. this guy has it right.
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Well after reading every single post and the links I think im gona go with the Generation II FIPK. For a couple reasons. Its a well known and respected brand, I like the CAI's that dont go into the fender and its a straight pipe. I have one question though. Does it come in chrome? Im gona get it either way but I just like the chrome look better but I cant seem to find any that come that way. And also I have a stock 2000 Mustang GT, is there anything else I need to buy or do to get this put on or does everything come with it. Let me know guys. Thanks
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Unfortunately it doesn't come in chrome, but remember, any type of metal tube will heat up under the hood and could heat the air going into your intake, and heat is the enemy. The kit comes complete and is a very simple install. Good Luck!
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what is the best JLT or K&N???
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what i recommend is going to www.wmsracing.com because they have a WMS high Velocity Intake, 96-03 GT & COBRA intake which im going to replace my K&N CAI not only because it will let more air it also comes with a 95MM MAF and i havent seen to many of those it features a 4" lower elbow, huge S & B filter, Pro-M 95mm mass air meter and a 3.5" high flow tube going to the TB
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Neither!!! A CAI is a CAI. However, don't buy the metal ones. They heat up better under the hood and screw the whole Cold air theory!!! I just threw on a tunable induction CAI on my ride. www.demolet.com. I love this thing. You can get a package that consists of a new throttle body, plenum, and cai for under 500 bucks. No you dont get the sensor like wmsracing, but if you have plans in the future to s/c the car, your going to get a MAF sensor anyways. Also demolet does sell the 85mm maf sensor for about 179 if memory serves. check out both websites. any questions call john at demolet.com
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how much is just the CAI?
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They can range from 120 to 300 dollars. CAI run about 200, mac run about 150, it depends on what brand u buy. Roush CAI cost about 200 also. If your question refers to the demolet tunable induction CAI, the CAI system itself costs between 125 to 200 dollars
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is it bigger then the K&N CAI?
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is it bigger then the K&N CAI?
actually yeah, it has a big elbow that goes into the fenderwall that is quite a bit larger than the k and n - and it is a little bigger than the k and n thats goes to the throttle body if that makes any sense. talk to john at demolet.com he knows a lot, or hit me back if u have any other questions!
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