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Default Pricing/Help/Advice on building 2v with KB 2.1

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I've done a bit of research and spent a better part of two nights scrounging around on the web trying to figure out how much, and just what I would need to run a 2.1 Kenne Bell S/C (Intercooled) with forged internals.

Now I know you an run at ~8lbs on stock, but this is my daily and I do have aspirations in the future to go higher RWHP than 400. So I was looking around and found a short block here for ~2600. Is that what I'd need to handle 450+ SAFELY? Are the stock heads okay? I'm looking to only drop $6,500 max.

I'm just a wee bit lost on pricing and everything I'd need to get a good, strong, reliable forged engine on a KB S/C.

Also, sorry for beating the dead horse, I tried to search the forms as much as I possible could. Thanks for any input!
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What kind of shortblock? New or used? Is the blower figured into your budget? Dont forget a tune of $400. Also fuel pump and injectors will run $400 ish. You might hit your budget......maybe. wouldnt hurt to go over an extra thousand and get it done right. The stock 2v heads are good to about 600rwhp i think could be wrong. What about labor are you doing the work?
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What kind of shortblock? New or used? Is the blower figured into your budget? Dont forget a tune of $400. Also fuel pump and injectors will run $400 ish. You might hit your budget......maybe. wouldnt hurt to go over an extra thousand and get it done right. The stock 2v heads are good to about 600rwhp i think could be wrong. What about labor are you doing the work?
Hmm good questions. I'm looking to go new, wouldn't that be the smartest option? I figured the blower was factored in, but I spaced last night and no way it was. 5k for just the IC 2.1. Hmmmmmmm.

I'd have a shop do the work to be on the safe side/they actually have the tools.
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Just a point of order, on a build like this you are probably looking at around $500 minimum to tune it on a dyno, I'd factor that in to your costs (at the end obviously) so that everything runs right. Nothing worse than spending all that cash on new stuff and have it run like Sh**. 500-1000 is a realistic cost on the dyno tune.
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Just a point of order, on a build like this you are probably looking at around $500 minimum to tune it on a dyno, I'd factor that in to your costs (at the end obviously) so that everything runs right. Nothing worse than spending all that cash on new stuff and have it run like Sh**. 500-1000 is a realistic cost on the dyno tune.
Very true. I'm looking at 7k maybe to build this? Hmmmmm. I'm not sure what I should do.
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New kenne bell, built short block, extra parts, shop labor & tune,$7000 is not going to do it (Been there and done that).
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New kenne bell, built short block, extra parts, shop labor & tune,$7000 is not going to do it (Been there and done that).
I figured, whats a more realistic number? I might trading the shop work for work. So I might get to take 3k off my of my saved cash.
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Your looking,

1.New kenne bell $5000+
2.Fully built short block parts and labor $2000+
3.Gaskets, fluids and new clutch kit $$$$
4. mechanic fees (removal, assemble and install motor)$$$$
5.sct tuner & dyno tune $700+
6.Things that you didn't think of $$$$$
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5.DIABLO INTUNE & dyno tune $700+
LOL You meant to say DiabloSport right? Well if not that's fine too, but I thought I'd throw our name in the hat, why not...
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Sorry about that, Diablo tuner will work to, the closest dyno shop to me only use sct.
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Honestly this price crap is all on you. There is new, used, name brand, and knock off parts you can buy. It's all in how deep your pockets go my friend. There is a few of us that have been there and done it. I can say myself with a stock internal 4.6 and a turbo setup with of course suspension mods with everything else that is needed I have $6,000 plus in my PARTS alone. Dyno in my area is $125 an hour and who knows how long it will take once I do get it all together and drag it to the dyno. I know I'm comparing apples to oranges between the turbo and Kenne Bell, but it's still a power adder and HP doesn't come cheap.
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$400 for a tune is what i paid a while back. I do most of the work myself. Fastlane will assemble my shortblock for $1100(w/o parts of course) and they will do my longblock for right at 2k i think. That also includes a valve job/cleaning etc etc on the heads. The rest of the stufff i can do myself.
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$400 for a tune is what i paid a while back.
I've seen prices as low as that too, but it really all depends on who/what/where etc... the more that's done to the car, the more it usual costs to calibrate it and get it right. It all depends on the shop though.
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Hmmm, I'm going to nab a MMR short block mod 500 then do a trade of work for them to build my engine up and tunes. So labor is covered for me, only thing out of pocket is the parts.

My question: I can run just the forged internals with the stock top end until I get the KB, right? In my line of thinking, which is probably wrong, I hope to break in the engine while I save for the KB. No?
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Hmmm, I'm going to nab a MMR short block mod 500 then do a trade of work for them to build my engine up and tunes. So labor is covered for me, only thing out of pocket is the parts.

My question: I can run just the forged internals with the stock top end until I get the KB, right? In my line of thinking, which is probably wrong, I hope to break in the engine while I save for the KB. No?
if labor is covered then find a block and buy a rotating assembly, much cheaper then buying a built block. I got my teksid block for $250, forged 98 cobra crank - $300, plus a rotating assembly that can handle 900rwhp for $1200 shipped. I can promise you that the mod block from mmr is around $2500.
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