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Exclamation What mod to knock off 2 tenths of a second?

Okay, I am running 9.1 @78mph at the 1/8 track. I want at least 8.9 so I can kick the little turbo & NOS ricers. I had a turbo Subaru beat me Sat. and it hurt

You can see my mods from the list below. Is there another inexpensive bolt-on mod that will help me pick up 2 tenths in the 1/8 mile? I was thinking pulleys because they are cheap. A t/b would be more expensive. Please give me your opinions on what you've had experience with--especially at the dragstrip or dyno.

BTW - slicks/DRs are NOT an option as I have no way to change tires every weekend

Two pics of me last week (beating another yellow GT)
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Pulleys would do the job, when I replaced mine, I knocked off about a 8/10ths of a second off my time, at the time i had slicks but now im running regular streets, pulleys are the best choice for the money.
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pulleys are the best choice for the money.
Is the March pulley set okay or should I spend $70 more to get the Steeda's? What is the difference between them?
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I dont know about either of the two, but from the guy i talked to here at the local ford shop in el paso, pulleys are pulleys, so if you want to spend that extra cash for the name, thats up to you, i went with a set of MAC and i could feel the increase from the jump, and they cost me $99 so i wen the cheaper way and i think i've done real good, now my set only came with 3 pulleys, others come with more.
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Okay, I am running 9.1 @78mph at the 1/8 track. I want at least 8.9 so I can kick the little turbo & NOS ricers. I had a turbo Subaru beat me Sat. and it hurt

You can see my mods from the list below. Is there another inexpensive bolt-on mod that will help me pick up 2 tenths in the 1/8 mile? I was thinking pulleys because they are cheap. A t/b would be more expensive. Please give me your opinions on what you've had experience with--especially at the dragstrip or dyno.

BTW - slicks/DRs are NOT an option as I have no way to change tires every weekend

Two pics of me last week (beating another yellow GT)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...irl74/Mevs.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...rl74/Race1.jpg
Nice to see you on the forum again. Glad you got your own diablo, seeing as how I eventually found out that they really don't like to tune more than one car at a time.

Those soob's can be a problem, especially in the 1/8 mile. Some things to consider:

1. Racing gas. See if there's anywhere you can tank up with race gas before the race and set your timing advance to take advantage of this. The stock Diablo performance tune does not address this - it is designed to run reliably on the street with 93 octane. If you can get access to a friendly dyno, try to figure out how many degrees of advance your car will tolerate on race gas - then dial that in with the Diablo right before you race (and reverse afterwards, of course). The dyno tech should also be able to check your car's tune and make sure your A/F mixture is as it should be.

2. Lighten up. Weight, that is. Mustangs like ours don't look big, but they are heavy beasts. When racing, do so with the gas tank as low as your dare; the windshield washer empty; and the spare tire, jack, everything you keep in the trunk, and the back seat sitting at home or in someone else's vehicle. The difference between a fully laden stang and one as light as possible can easily be 100 pounds or more.

3. Transfer weight. Traction can be hard to come by, and if you don't want to run slicks or drag radials, consider moving the battery to the passenger side of the trunk (kits run about $100 or so). This frees up valuable landscape under the hood (supercharger, anyone?), and transfers 50# to where it will do the most good.

4. Throttle body & upper intake plenum. Kits for $400 (polished Accufab 70mm and matcing intake plenum) and $420 (same as above, but with 75mm throttle body) are available from www.mustangtuning.com (price includes shipping). I have the 75mm tb, and the C&L plenum (plain as a mud hen, but she works), and I'm happy with them. In general terms, the 70mm item will give you more on the bottom end than the 75mm, which will give you more top end.

5. Free time. This is the time you're responsible for. Practice, pay attention to 60' times (if you're over 2.0, you can benefit from practice). Try different shift points. Truth to tell, most folks can improve their 60' times with a little effort (I've never dipped below 2.0 that I know of - so I resemble this remark).

6. Pullies. I like the Steeda models. Keep in mind that these will have to go if you install a supercharger.

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Hello Ponygirl, glad to see you back. I'm not sure about the March pulleys, but the Steeda set is great. The crank pulley totally replaces the stock piece, insted of just bolting on piggy back style. It is balanced the other cheap pulleys are not and have to bolt on to the stock balanced crank pulley. This is some of the price difference, not just the name. And, like Triple said, the battery relocation idea will help alot and is inexpensive. Hope this helps. Good luck
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march pulleys are awesome, they probably make the pulleys for steeda to be honest wit ya. If you go with march get the set with the one piece harmonic dampened crank pulley, or if you get steeda it only comes that way. I would spend a little extra and get march or steeda but the is just my .02......


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Suspension mods can always help.
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Okay, I am running 9.1 @78mph at the 1/8 track. I want at least 8.9 so I can kick the little turbo & NOS ricers. I had a turbo Subaru beat me Sat. and it hurt

You can see my mods from the list below. Is there another inexpensive bolt-on mod that will help me pick up 2 tenths in the 1/8 mile? I was thinking pulleys because they are cheap. A t/b would be more expensive. Please give me your opinions on what you've had experience with--especially at the dragstrip or dyno.

BTW - slicks/DRs are NOT an option as I have no way to change tires every weekend

Two pics of me last week (beating another yellow GT)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...irl74/Mevs.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...rl74/Race1.jpg
I would think you could do better than 8.9 without any more parts. I run 8.9 @79.9 with stock gears, your lower gears should allow you to surpass that... unless you're getting bad traction. Are you letting air out of your tires, and can you speed shift without totally losing traction?
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I would think you could do better than 8.9 without any more parts. I run 8.9 @79.9 with stock gears, your lower gears should allow you to surpass that... unless you're getting bad traction. Are you letting air out of your tires, and can you speed shift without totally losing traction?
I know-- it is probably my driving. My reaction times are good, my 60 ft times are 2.1 to 2.2 and I am powershifting (keeping gas at around half throttle while shifting) which causes me the chirp the tires in 2nd and 3rd. I don't even get into 4th gear!

I have not tried changing tire pressure. Will it increase my traction and 60 ft time?

I've already spent $3k on the car and don't want to spend too much more right now which is why I thought pulleys would be the best option.
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Nice to see you on the forum again. Glad you got your own diablo, seeing as how I eventually found out that they really don't like to tune more than one car at a time.
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Thanks for the tips tripleblack! Will definitely remove the spare and backseat next time if I can figure out how to get it out Race gas is a possibility as well as I am working on getting some dyno time right now. I was just looking for a cheap little pick-me-up and you gave me some good ideas. Seat time will probably be the best thing for me as I've only gotten around 25 runs in.
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The best mod is pratice at the track!
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I have not tried changing tire pressure. Will it increase my traction and 60 ft time?
Yes, give it a try. Your goals are realistic for your current set up, don't give up.
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Thanks for the tips tripleblack! Will definitely remove the spare and backseat next time if I can figure out how to get it out Race gas is a possibility as well as I am working on getting some dyno time right now. I was just looking for a cheap little pick-me-up and you gave me some good ideas. Seat time will probably be the best thing for me as I've only gotten around 25 runs in.
I know you've not been doing this long, so I think 25 runs is an excellent start! More races are won by crafty drivers than fast cars. The trick is acquiring the experience and smarts to become a crafty driver! It certainly takes a lot of horsepower to compensate for a slow reaction or badly timed gear change.

As for racing these WRX's, keep in mind that they have to dump the clutch at 5500 rpm or even higher to get a good time. This puts tremendous strain on their clutches and AWD system (and transmissions, too). This generates lots of heat - and potentially, fade.

If you can time it so that you rush them up to the mark right after they've just completed a run, you might capitalize on this. Tell 'em you've got a hot date... Soobs are unique problems for racers in the 1/8 mile (I suspect you'd take him in the 1/4 mile, by the way, if he's close to stock). They get a really good launch and hook with their AWD system.

With your Nittos, be careful running them at low pressures. Set up a series of tests with your tires hot and at differing pressures (check them before you do the runs). Keep a list, and see what tire pressure works best for you. I've had good luck with pressures in the high teens and low twenties, but that is not on Nittos. Set the pressure too low, and your wheels will spin inside the tires, potentially costing time rather than gaining it.

Cool down your intake between and before runs. Get the oil warm, the tires hot, and the intake cold. Use a bag of ice wrapped in a sheet with an electric fan (looks weird, but works). The competition may even be a bit un-nerved watching your strange rituals...

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