What happens when modding your ride is no longer needed
What does the word stock mean? Back when I bought my first fox stock meant slow, but now you wanna go race that stock z06? my point is they say stock but what really mean is I dont know **** about cars but I can just go buy a fast one WOOHOO! are cars in the future gona leave options for mods, theres nothing like bolting on those under drive pulleys or puting that electric fan on for the first time and going for a drive.
I don't really agree on the whole idk about cars but I can buy a fast one statement. Definitely so, yeah the ZO6's are stock with 505 hp but there are mods for them to push them farther, no different than the gt500's or the gt's. It just costs more for the given mods.
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93 LX 2.3 to 5.0 conversion. 60% of the time it works every time.
VTEC - All the lag of a turbo............None of the boost
If its Fast and reliable, it ain't cheap.
If its Cheap and reliable, it ain't fast.
If its Fast and cheap, it ain't reliable.
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Look at cars back in the late 60' and early 70's. They were "rated" at certain HP #'s to keep the insurance companies happy and the rates down, but a lot of them were making over 450 HP. And a select few were over 500 HP.
All stock means is "that is the way the factory produced it". That's all.
My first car was a stock 1982 fairmont with a 200 inline six that would probably run the quarter in 22 flat and later and a few years later I was able to buy a stock fox mustang that ran in the high 14s so to me a stock fox was not slow. I agee that there will always be an aftermarket to modify just about any popular car with the only limit being higher prices for the parts and less to gain if the factory maximizes the potential for performance in stock trim.
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i jus really don't like it when guys go out and buy those factory fast cars... yea their nice and fast, but where is the pride in the build? or having your hardwork paid off when you take it out on its first cruise?! plus, give me ten grand and you'll see what these old foxes can do!!!
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For what the factory charges to make a car w/ mods already($100,000 for a 2009 gt500 SS) I would say that eventually its going to fall apart as I can build a bad*ss ride for under $20,000. I can also buy a 2009 GT and add a few mods, custom paint, etc and not even come close to the factory price. The retail is different but Im not in it for the retail Im in it to say I did it and look what I can do. However your always going to have the idiot that has too much money and doesnt know what to do w/ it.
The point that's being missed though is if these "guys with money" don't go out and buy these expensive fast cars than there would be no market for fast cars since no one would be buying them obviously and therefore there would be no drive for the factory whether it be chevy, mopar, or ford to try and make advances performance wise to these cars. Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with building your car up because that's what I'm doing but honestly if I had the money I seriously wouldn't mind a Z06 ZR1 or a GT500 that hauls ass stock and still has a warranty. Not all these fellas are just jerks with money, there enthusiasts just like us.
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93 LX 2.3 to 5.0 conversion. 60% of the time it works every time.
VTEC - All the lag of a turbo............None of the boost
If its Fast and reliable, it ain't cheap.
If its Cheap and reliable, it ain't fast.
If its Fast and cheap, it ain't reliable.
to be honest just the other day I went to the local hot dog stand and saw a 92lx coupe completley stock still had ponys on it as I passed in my 91lx (which is not perfect but abnormally nice)i thought dam look at that virgin if I had the doe to buy whatever I wanted I would still only spend about 5k on a pony in its V state. The small bolt ons and simple hp improvments are the things that brought me to what I love today CARS! can only hope my son can do the same.I understand the world needs Mr. Bling to keep it going but the select few (us) people who want to make it not buy get alot more that just a nice car we get a passion.
I pondered this question for quite a while. Buying fast was an option...and I'd be one of a dozen folks around town with a new Mustang. Chose to look for a good Fox body to make what I want. A big part of the fun is reading up on various mods, choosing parts, and figuring out how to do the install. It's also a kick to go for a cruise and see what you've accomplished. I'd also be so afraid that I'd really screw up a new car that I'd probably never do anything to it and miss out on all the hot rod fun. For some reason I don't mind conducting backyard surgery on a 20 year old rig.
man .... reading all this just made me decide to do all my stuff myself (short of the welding of the subframe connectors) --- I wanna be able to say "yep - I did all that!"
Being able to say "Yes I did all the work myself" is far more rewarding then saying "It came from the factory like that". Take pride in your work, have some fun, and enjoy the results.
Being able to say "Yes I did all the work myself" is far more rewarding then saying "It came from the factory like that". Take pride in your work, have some fun, and enjoy the results.
EXACTLY! I love working on my cars. You take much more pride in something that you put your own blood, sweat and tears into.
I still regret ever taking my car to a "performance" shop to get my long tube headers put on... Although that is the only time it's been worked on at a shop.
That's why you gotta love Mustangs... they might not be the top dog outta the box, but put some time, a little money, and effort into it and you'll have one heck of a car! There is a reason the Mustang has stuck around and the Camaro/Firebird dropped out for a few years.
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i think you also have a lot more respect for your car if you put all your hard work into it. i love the new mustangs but if i had the money to get one...i wouldnt. i would go find myself a mint fox. and then with the extra money from that build a fast one for the drags that will eat all those new ones up in a heartbeat. i just cant see spening 20+ grand on a new mustang. i guess if you had your fox's and just had some extra cash you didnt know what to do with then yeah. but im with the fox body all the way
I Not thats its even anywhere near a muscle car but look at the Toyota scions, they offer just about every mod you can think of out of the factory, im thinking this is an effort to see if people want that kind of thing. Most guys want a slow car and make it fast because it shows their mechanical skills and if theyre like me theyd just about rather work on the car than drive it. But if you have a great job and can afford to go out and buy that beast off the showroom floor then I cant say anything because youve got a better job than I do. What I cant stand is these guys with the cash to buy a ZR1 and they want to put it in a garage and let it rot, unless it's a ultra rare import then it should be driven like it was made to be because if you have to money to buy it then you should have to money to maintain it
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