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I was planning on doing some autocross and track days over the summer and was thinking that a roll bar wouldn't be such a bad idea.

I was looking at a 6 point one from Maximum Motorsports and was wondering what you guys thought it would cost to get one of these welded in professionally?

I really don't know what's involved in an install like this, so any comments would be really helpful.

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Are you running a hardtop or a 'vert?

6-point bars are more of a drag/IHRA thing. Road race bars usually have a diagonal bar, this mine. I have been doing open track days and driving schools (take one). This year I plan on trying my hand at autocross as well.
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if you have to have it installed....

you will be better to get a custom roll bar/cage done

In the end the money will be about the same......


but in answer to your question to the MM unit welded in 300-400 dollars.....
 
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Are you running a hardtop or a 'vert?

6-point bars are more of a drag/IHRA thing. Road race bars usually have a diagonal bar, this mine. I have been doing open track days and driving schools (take one). This year I plan on trying my hand at autocross as well.
I have a hardtop. The reason why I was looking at the maximum motorsport one is because of the removable swingouts and harness bar. I would still like to be able to use the back seat of my car as this won't be a full time track/autocross car.

I'm just looking for a bit of extra insurance in case anything ever happens, I won't be doing any "extreme" racing or anything.

So the suggestions are get a custom one? Anything else? How much for a custom one btw?
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How much for a custom one btw?
when i had my 6pt w/swingouts done it was almost 1200 ......

but it passed the nhra tech inspection first time out......
 
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You won't need one on most tracks or autocross. Hard tops hold up alot better than convertibles when placed on their tops.

I wouldn't get anything without a cross brace and a harness bar welded in. You don't need it now, but when you need a bar, you will need a real one. One with a diagonal brace and a horizontal brace.

Check out Steeda, they have some 4-point bars that will bolt in (they can be welded too), still leave you use of the backseat, and they aren't that bad $ wise.
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A bolt in roll bar is nothing more than a decoration......
 
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Yeah. I will definitely stay faaaaar away from a bolt in roll bar. I've heard of them going through the floor in a roll over...

So are you suggesting a Steed Road Race style Roll Bar with a removable cross brace?
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A bolt in roll bar is nothing more than a decoration......
I would have to respectfully disagree with you. A well designed and properly installed bolt in rollbar is much better than nothing at all. A cheap poorly designed bar is a nice decoration.

Here is a nice side by side picture of how to do it right and how not to do it. One of the keys is a proper mounting surface. I have seen welded in cages with too small of a mounting pad and on top of the the installer had burnt through the sheet metal he was mounting to further weakening the mount.

No matter what you go with it's up to you to make sure it's done right. There are a lot of people out there that will sell you a decoration. Some are welded in others are bolted in.
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I would have to respectfully disagree with you. A well designed and properly installed bolt in rollbar is much better than nothing at all. A cheap poorly designed bar is a nice decoration.

Here is a nice side by side picture of how to do it right and how not to do it. One of the keys is a proper mounting surface. I have seen welded in cages with too small of a mounting pad and on top of the the installer had burnt through the sheet metal he was mounting to further weakening the mount.

No matter what you go with it's up to you to make sure it's done right. There are a lot of people out there that will sell you a decoration. Some are welded in others are bolted in.
The magic words are do it right.....

The point i was making the average guy just bolts it in.......

The example you show is the "better" way of doing.....

Both i'm sure will will both agree having it welded really is the best & safest way to go,......
 
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Your right, I would always recommend a weld in bar over a bolt in. Unfortunately, a lot of people want to be able to unbolt it at some point and have no sign that a bar was ever there.
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Your right, I would always recommend a weld in bar over a bolt in. Unfortunately, a lot of people want to be able to unbolt it at some point and have no sign that a bar was ever there.
On HorsepowerTV they made a weld-in/bolt-in roll bar for one of their Mustang projects (can't remember but I think it was the 1000hp TT fox???). They welded the bases to the floor with a little of tube coming out of the suport and then it was a bolt in procedure from there. I think there were even a few cross braces that were bolted in. They recommended it due to the fact you could take it out and it was a strong frame, AND THEY NEVER MENTIONED A BRAND NAME. So I think they genuinely liked that cage.

How much do tube benders go for these days? Making your own roll cage would be pretty sweet and might even save a lot of money on just one cage if the bender was cheap enough.

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Mine is bolt in... for the time being. It is track legal.

Whether it is bolted in or welded in makes much less of a difference than most think. It is what the bar is bolted to or welded to. All welding it does is prevent it from moving more than bolting it does. If you weld your cage to the floor pan and there is nothing under to support it..... it will still go through the floor.
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On HorsepowerTV they made a weld-in/bolt-in roll bar for one of their Mustang projects (can't remember but I think it was the 1000hp TT fox???). They welded the bases to the floor with a little of tube coming out of the suport and then it was a bolt in procedure from there. I think there were even a few cross braces that were bolted in. They recommended it due to the fact you could take it out and it was a strong frame, AND THEY NEVER MENTIONED A BRAND NAME. So I think they genuinely liked that cage.
ok the are several way ways of looking at roll bar/cage.....

first and formost is the safety factor......

as stated eariler in this thread it is a matter of doing it right....

the other thing is chassis stiffening a bolt in cage will always allow flex.....

as stated earlier welding is the way to go.......

I saw that cage that was built on horsepower TV it would not have passed NHRA tech certification on a bet......


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How much do tube benders go for these days? Making your own roll cage would be pretty sweet and might even save a lot of money on just one cage if the bender was cheap enough.

Steve
There is more to building a cage than bending the bars......

it will cost a lot more in the the long run

check out the cost of chromemoly tubing.......

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Mine is bolt in... for the time being. It is track legal.
If it hasn't been NHRA certified .....

Then no its not legal......
 
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If it hasn't been NHRA certified .....

Then no its not legal......

I wasn't referring to NHRA, the original topic related to Road Racing and Autocross.... it is legal for both of these.
Mine is the road race bar:
Autopower Industries - Roll Bars

No matter who it was made by and welded in, it still wouldn't be be NHRA legal....

Any convertible running 13.49 or better must be a 6-point.
And I am definitely past that.
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