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new to forum, vortech supercharger question?

Hey guys, name is Dave and new to the forum, im more of an import guy with lots of jap projects, but I just came across a deal last night that I absolutely could not pass up.

its a 1990 mustang 5.0 Supercharged w/ 90k original miles

I've got a couple of questions actually as I absolutely nothing about these cars lol..

#1 how much power does a vortech sc usually make on a bone stock 5.0?

#2 the kid got the car from a trade therefore didnt know anything about the car, do the vortech kits come with a fuel system to support the extra power (fuel pump, injectors)

From looking at the car I see it has a bbk ssi intake, headers, exhaust and obviously the supercharger which leads me to belive it has more done to it.


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i'm pretty sure if he got it as a kit, it came with a 255lph in tank fuel pump and an FMU to work with factory 19# injectors. what color are your injectors? easiest way to tell.

on a bone stock car, depending on how much boost you're running, you're probably somewhere in the 350-375rwhp range, maybe a little more.

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The computer is behind the kick panel on the passenger side. Take the panel off and look to see if there is a chip stuck in the side of the computer.

Or, look at the tops of the injectors like said above - 19# injectors are orangish, 24# injectors are blue, etc.

The amount of power the sc makes depends on the amount of boost. A V3 Kit is set up to make 5-6 pounds of boost and will put a stock 5.0 around 275 horsepower. A V2 kit is set up to make around 8-10 pounds of boost and will get the car in the 330 horsepower range.

The V3 is self-lubricating, while the V2 will have an oil supply line running to it.

The V3 is typically marketed as a "bolt on" application designed to work with an otherwise stock car. Because your car has other mods, I would hope that this is a V2 - if not, I would hope that it has a chip.

Let us know what you find when you start poking around...

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i'm pretty sure if he got it as a kit, it came with a 255lph in tank fuel pump and an FMU to work with factory 19# injectors. what color are your injectors? easiest way to tell.

on a bone stock car, depending on how much boost you're running, you're probably somewhere in the 350-375rwhp range, maybe a little more.
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The computer is behind the kick panel on the passenger side. Take the panel off and look to see if there is a chip stuck in the side of the computer.

Or, look at the tops of the injectors like said above - 19# injectors are orangish, 24# injectors are blue, etc.

The amount of power the sc makes depends on the amount of boost. A V3 Kit is set up to make 5-6 pounds of boost and will put a stock 5.0 around 275 horsepower. A V2 kit is set up to make around 8-10 pounds of boost and will get the car in the 330 horsepower range.

The V3 is self-lubricating, while the V2 will have an oil supply line running to it.

The V3 is typically marketed as a "bolt on" application designed to work with an otherwise stock car. Because your car has other mods, I would hope that this is a V2 - if not, I would hope that it has a chip.

Let us know what you find when you start poking around...

didnt get a chance to check for a chip in the side of the computer as i didnt see this until now, but i was looking at the injectors and theres actually 2 diff kinds of injectors in it! lol, was like wtf... on each side there all grey exept for the last one on each side which are yellow lol..

im pretty sure i have a v3 then bc i did not see an oil supply line connected to it... on my very first post there is a tinypic link, there is a pic of the motor if you would like to verify this for me? Hell, you might even be able to see other mods that I have no clue on lol.
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Can't say how much power it has till we know if it has nice heads, how much boost, dose it sound like it has a cam?

Some of those kits came with a t- tex inline fuel pump as well. On the head unit it should say if its a v3 for sure.

These cars kinda suck to tune unless you have a programmable computer, i doubt it has a chip, since it has the fmu on it.

Here's a link to some fuel injectors color chart, I'd prob replace those if u plan on keeping it
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ctor_guide.jpg

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These cars kinda suck to tune unless you have a programmable computer, i doubt it has a chip, since it has the fmu on it.
Only thing is that the FMU is normally designed for an entirely stock set up including the stock injectors, intake, etc. - which he doesn't have - and I didn't actually see where he indicated that he had an FMU...

cenok said that the smaller kits come with an FMU, but you can run the V3 without the FMU and go with a chip instead.

Given the other mods to the car, I would hope that it is not running off of an FMU...

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You have to get the numbers off of the injector to know for sure their flow rate. Some grey ones are 14lb some are 50, ive seen greys that are 23.6 and so on. I doubt they are 14 on a setup like that, but you gotta verify. Check you maf sensor and see if theres calibration specs, my pro m says 30's right on it..at least start there. Also look to see if you have aluminum heads as that's a big 👍 too.


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Only thing is that the FMU is normally designed for an entirely stock set up including the stock injectors, intake, etc. - which he doesn't have - and I didn't actually see where he indicated that he had an FMU...

cenok said that the smaller kits come with an FMU, but you can run the V3 without the FMU and go with a chip instead.

Given the other mods to the car, I would hope that it is not running off of an FMU...
I see a fmu in the pic on the very left.

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I see a fmu in the pic on the very left.
You're right - I didn't notice it over there...

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I see a fmu in the pic on the very left.
Good eye. Looks like your ssi plenum cover gasket is blown out as well.


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Can't say how much power it has till we know if it has nice heads, how much boost, dose it sound like it has a cam?

Some of those kits came with a t- tex inline fuel pump as well. On the head unit it should say if its a v3 for sure.

These cars kinda suck to tune unless you have a programmable computer, i doubt it has a chip, since it has the fmu on it.

Here's a link to some fuel injectors color chart, I'd prob replace those if u plan on keeping it
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ctor_guide.jpg
sounds like it could have a mild cam, but i really dont know how these cars sound with just a nice exhaust on em.. ill upload a video and get your opinion on it. A buddy of mine who is working on it for me said that he thinks theres a ton of stuff done to it, hes going to pop off the head covers and look for a gt40 stamp which hes guessing there will be... is this bad that im still running an fmu or does it just mean im not getting the fuel potential from my set up but its safe to run? From my understanding the fmu is just if I didnt want to spend the money on a bigger pump and injectors which i would have no problem upgrading if nessisary?

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Good eye. Looks like your ssi plenum cover gasket is blown out as well.


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