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Old 06-26-2006   #1 (permalink)
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so i just saw fast and the furious... yes i know... wasn't a great movie but I thought the car stuff was pretty awesome, even if it was a bunch of ricers. But it got me thinking about making a Fox 5.0 a drift car... the only issue with it, i think would be the solid rear axle. Although, i believe i read some where that a cobra IRS system off a newer cobra will bolt directly up to a Fox mustang... is there any truth to this? Because if so, i think i might be building a 5.0 drift car when im older. hehehe...
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1. drifting is for people that cant race
2. a IRS system will make a car handle better, not have the rear end step out easy
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sell your car and buy a riced out 350z. Mustangs are not meant to drift, nor should they be modified to do so.
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I want my 1 min. back for reading this.


And if you buy an import to drift, make sure its not a FWD
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Mustangs aren't meant to drift...tell that to Ken Gushi or Vaugh Gittin Jr. A would argue a rearwheel drive car with plenty of torque is a much better candidate than a 240sx or some other rear-wheel drive import.

But I digress. The Fox platform is not the greatest starting point for drifiting because of the rearend suspension (bad snap-oversteer). Im sure that if you get some stuff from Griggs or Maximum motorsport you could fix that, and will a little bit of engine work you'd be set, think somewhere in the range of 300-350 hp.
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I dont think the Fox Platform would lend itself to massive Oversteer driving either.
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My partner and I just sited a young Navy guy on Sunday for drifting or whatever it's called on base. (Reckless Driving) He'll get suspended for a year.
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so i just saw fast and the furious... yes i know... wasn't a great movie but I thought the car stuff was pretty awesome, even if it was a bunch of ricers. But it got me thinking about making a Fox 5.0 a drift car... the only issue with it, i think would be the solid rear axle. Although, i believe i read some where that a cobra IRS system off a newer cobra will bolt directly up to a Fox mustang... is there any truth to this? Because if so, i think i might be building a 5.0 drift car when im older. hehehe...
Drifting? where are you gonna drift? down mainstreet? who drifts? are u serious?
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Drifting? where are you gonna drift? down mainstreet? who drifts? are u serious?
A car set up for Oversteer is pretty much useless as a driver, plus as you say, where to drive.
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cmaaaan redhot, what are you thinking man!!!! last person i expected this little outburst from! whats the point of proving that your car can slide all over the place... i can do that with my cadillac...

get your head outta the gutter man!!!!
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Some of you guys have your heads up your asses lol. Drifting is a art, that can be very enjoyable if you have proper technique and have a car that is decently setup. Most mustang guys only know straight line and that's it. Any driving that takes any type of skill they take as a joke. Most Mustang guys don't respect driving ability, just how much horsepower there car has and how fast they can go down the 1/4 mile. Basically, it's all about being macho. As far as drifting a fox, there's one in the Formula D series. Hell, one guy was using something like a 70 el camino with a magnussen s/c'd ls1, and was staying with the likes of Rys Millen in his Gto. The Fox wouldn't be the best platform for drifting, but it definately more than possible to make it drift quite well. A solid axle is better for drifting than irs, due to the lack of a camber curve. The new 05 mustang's in the Formula D series proves that solid axle's work really well. I gaurentee you guys if you ever got a ride with a professional drifter, you'd **** yourself and then want to try it out. Also, as far where to drift. There are some clubs that set up drift events for the public. I'll admit that I drift on the street quite a bit...I choose my spots well tho. Oversteer is no more useless on the streets.... IF YOU CAN CONTROL IT, than a 500hp car. Yea, you'll get a ticket for getting sideways, but you'ld get a ticket for doing 130....doesn't really matter. Flame me all you want...
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Some of you guys have your heads up your asses lol. Drifting is a art, that can be very enjoyable if you have proper technique and have a car that is decently setup. Most mustang guys only know straight line and that's it. Any driving that takes any type of skill they take as a joke. Most Mustang guys don't respect driving ability, just how much horsepower there car has and how fast they can go down the 1/4 mile. Basically, it's all about being macho. As far as drifting a fox, there's one in the Formula D series. Hell, one guy was using something like a 70 el camino with a magnussen s/c'd ls1, and was staying with the likes of Rys Millen in his Gto. The Fox wouldn't be the best platform for drifting, but it definately more than possible to make it drift quite well. A solid axle is better for drifting than irs, due to the lack of a camber curve. The new 05 mustang's in the Formula D series proves that solid axle's work really well. I gaurentee you guys if you ever got a ride with a professional drifter, you'd **** yourself and then want to try it out. Also, as far where to drift. There are some clubs that set up drift events for the public. I'll admit that I drift on the street quite a bit...I choose my spots well tho. Oversteer is no more useless on the streets.... IF YOU CAN CONTROL IT, than a 500hp car. Yea, you'll get a ticket for getting sideways, but you'ld get a ticket for doing 130....doesn't really matter. Flame me all you want...
Screamer, my automotive passion is split between traditional dirt sprint cars(CRA, NARC, VRA, USAC), professional road racing (ALMS, GARRA, ACO), and open wheel racing (F1, GP2, A1, IRL). I respected Rys Millen when he raced in SCCA Pro Rally and won at Pikes Peak. I respect Michael Schumacher for being able to make a car do anything, or Cory Kruseman for passing another car at 100mph sliding on dirt. Any time style is more important than speed in motorsports, there is a problem. While drifting takes skill, people like Ryan Hampton (2001 ALMS P2 Champ) that deside to drop real racing are a disapointment to me. The day that a REAL racer like Andy Wallace drifts a car in D1, I will cry like a baby
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if drifting is an artform, consider my dad leonardo friggin davinci.
hes been doin it since the 70's, when cars and racing were real.

it just doesnt make sense to me... i mean how do you win??
it doesnt matter how fast you do anything, right? it just matters what you look like...

i guess i just dont get it.
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Some of you guys have your heads up your asses lol. Drifting is a art, that can be very enjoyable if you have proper technique and have a car that is decently setup. Most mustang guys only know straight line and that's it. Any driving that takes any type of skill they take as a joke. Most Mustang guys don't respect driving ability, just how much horsepower there car has and how fast they can go down the 1/4 mile. Basically, it's all about being macho. As far as drifting a fox, there's one in the Formula D series. Hell, one guy was using something like a 70 el camino with a magnussen s/c'd ls1, and was staying with the likes of Rys Millen in his Gto. The Fox wouldn't be the best platform for drifting, but it definately more than possible to make it drift quite well. A solid axle is better for drifting than irs, due to the lack of a camber curve. The new 05 mustang's in the Formula D series proves that solid axle's work really well. I gaurentee you guys if you ever got a ride with a professional drifter, you'd **** yourself and then want to try it out. Also, as far where to drift. There are some clubs that set up drift events for the public. I'll admit that I drift on the street quite a bit...I choose my spots well tho. Oversteer is no more useless on the streets.... IF YOU CAN CONTROL IT, than a 500hp car. Yea, you'll get a ticket for getting sideways, but you'ld get a ticket for doing 130....doesn't really matter. Flame me all you want...
Can you pull YOUR head out of your ass long enough to read this? "Most mustang guys"? Do you know everyone who owns mustang? Drifting is easy and fun, but
who would build a car just for that unless they were an actual racer? Drifting:
Pin a 5.0 in 1st gear. There, your Drifting. Pin a 5.0 around a corner in 2nd.
There, your drifting. Whooptee friggin' doo. It's not ALL about going in a straight line. And the 1/4 mile ect. ect. I just love driving cars. Fast. and you can't go that fast when all your tires are skidding.
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Can you pull YOUR head out of your ass long enough to read this? "Most mustang guys"? Do you know everyone who owns mustang? Drifting is easy and fun, but
who would build a car just for that unless they were an actual racer? Drifting:
Pin a 5.0 in 1st gear. There, your Drifting. Pin a 5.0 around a corner in 2nd.
There, your drifting. Whooptee friggin' doo. It's not ALL about going in a straight line. And the 1/4 mile ect. ect. I just love driving cars. Fast. and you can't go that fast when all your tires are skidding.
I don't know every Mustang owner, and never claimed that I did. I said most. I read a lot of forums, and can get an idea of what most of the people in the community are about, rather quickly. Why would you build a car for drifting you say? Well, I could say the same for building a track only 1/4 mile car that runs 8's. Why build a car that is only good for a 8 second down a straight line and that's it. Not that I don't have major respect for people who do so. I just don't see why it's such a crime to have a car specifiically set up for drifting, but then it's perfectly fine to have a car that is only good for a 8 second run down a straight line, that must be trailered to the track. So you like driving fast but don't like driving on the edge?... which is what drifting is about. You obviously have no clue as to what drifting is about...it's a lot more than power oversteer. Try going into a corner doing close to a 100mph...flicking the steering wheel (scandanavian flick) and completly letting off the gas at the correct moment to upset the balance of the car, and to initiate the drift (known as a feint). At the same time make sure that everything was timed correctly, as well as having enough angle to slow the car down, in order to clip the next apex. I'd really like to see you do that...and then say oh that was nothing.

I think a lot of hate toward drifting comes from the misunderstanding of the import culture. Most people when they think of imports think of a honda civic with a ricebowl on it (I hate them as much as any of you guys btw). Or something out of the fast and the furious. They've never experienced the true side of the import automotive culture which is awesome. I'm a fan of just about any type of car, whether it be a 70' BOSS 302 or 1500hp R34 Skyline. I respect each for what it is and what they can do...I don't care where it was made.
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