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Default 5.0 T5 transmission 'rebuild' (can a person learn to rebuild?)

Hello AllFordMustang members,
I have a question more for curiosity sake than if I'm ever going to attempt this.
I was just wondering how hard is it to learn how to 'rebuild' a T5 transmission.
can only a highly trained professional rebuild a T5 or can anyone learn how to rebuild T5 transmissions? Is it more trouble than its worth sometimes, for instance easier to just buy a new one or good used one than rebuild one? I've heard from some good mechanics, that its too hard to rebuild em and better off to get a working one... but I'm trying to learn how to do as much as possible to be able to build cars. However, I know when not to 'reinvent the wheel', is this one of those times when it would be better to just buy a good one than go thru the trouble to learn how to rebuild different problems that they may have... I'd guess rebuilds can be different depending on what parts of the trans is good and bad at the time of rebuild?

For instance if a transmission is 'poping out of second'... would that need a entire rebuild or could you replace a 'gear' like second and not the rest of the parts? I've seen trans like that for sale.

For another instance, I have one that almost always (rarely does it not) grind when going into third gear. I've learned how to grind it barely going in by doing it a gentle way, and I still drive it like that... but sometime eventually, I would like to fix it without getting another trans. I'm sure there is some resources on the web to learn, but I know some of you are probably experts at T5s or know a lot about them at least, so any advice about this subject will be helpful for me to know.
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I bought the Hanlon Motorsports T5 Rebuild Video and it was easy as pie. After you have the tools its cheap as heck to rebuild them. I had to borrow a dial indicator from my dads work and I bought the two different snap ring pliers. After that its all downhill. You don't know whats wrong with the old one till you open it up.

When I bought the video for twenty bucks I also bought the steel retainer. Then ordered Redline oil from amazon.com. Its the Cheapest place to buy oil and its all free shipping
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Rebuilding a T5 is a walk in the park .....

This will help you......

http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English...ice_Manual.pdf
 
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Hey Silvers and Rlg34750.
Thank you both very much for the information. That was just the type of things I was wanting to know and hoping to hear.
Silvers: I might have to get that video. it sounds really good. Ill check out that steel retainer too.
RLG34750: thanks a lot for the link to that manual. I can tell just by reading the introduction that it will help me learn a lot. I'm going to read the entire thing. Thanks again, you have helped to inspire me to learn how to do it. I think I'm going to buy the trans thats is 'poping out of second gear' and try to start learning on that one. If I don't get it working, well... it wont be a huge loss. Should be a good learning experience, especially if I 'rebuild' second gear and get it working. thanks again you all.
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Its quite the video. Best twenty bucks spent. He shows you what it is supposed to do and what its not supposed to do. What the gears are supposed to look like and what there not. Its really easy to follow along. I was nervous about taking it apart but after doing it the once I feel like I could do about any lol
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Hey Silvers and Rlg34750.
Thank you both very much for the information. That was just the type of things I was wanting to know and hoping to hear.
Silvers: I might have to get that video. it sounds really good. Ill check out that steel retainer too.
RLG34750: thanks a lot for the link to that manual. I can tell just by reading the introduction that it will help me learn a lot. I'm going to read the entire thing. Thanks again, you have helped to inspire me to learn how to do it. I think I'm going to buy the trans thats is 'poping out of second gear' and try to start learning on that one. If I don't get it working, well... it wont be a huge loss. Should be a good learning experience, especially if I 'rebuild' second gear and get it working. thanks again you all.

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I wanted to swap my AODE car to a T5, so I bought 5 broken T5s and related stuff for a song. The one was a Cobra trans with a broken case, to this day I haven't touched it, the other was a GT trans torn up inside. I bought a rebuild kit (and other required parts) and rebuilt it myself. I had never had a transmission apart before of even watched anyone do anything. I am still using that trans 5 years later and it shifts great! I found it interesting to do, but I'm a mechanical engineering student, so maybe I am biased.
You will need a couple measurement tools (calipers and a dial indicator) and there are a couple steps that will require a shop press. The measurement tools you should keep on your shelf anyway and you can have a shop do the couple steps that require a press.

This is where I always got my parts, they are pretty close to me. They can help out out too, they know their stuff:

eBay Store - THE GEAR BOX Transmissions: T56 Manual Transmission, T-56 Parts Borg Warner, T5 Kit Manual
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I wanted to swap my AODE car to a T5, so I bought 5 broken T5s and related stuff for a song. The one was a Cobra trans with a broken case, to this day I haven't touched it, the other was a GT trans torn up inside. I bought a rebuild kit (and other required parts) and rebuilt it myself. I had never had a transmission apart before of even watched anyone do anything. I am still using that trans 5 years later and it shifts great! I found it interesting to do, but I'm a mechanical engineering student, so maybe I am biased.
You will need a couple measurement tools (calipers and a dial indicator) and there are a couple steps that will require a shop press. The measurement tools you should keep on your shelf anyway and you can have a shop do the couple steps that require a press.

This is where I always got my parts, they are pretty close to me. They can help out out too, they know their stuff:

eBay Store - THE GEAR BOX Transmissions: T56 Manual Transmission, T-56 Parts Borg Warner, T5 Kit Manual
Its crazy being a student and somehow guessing that you need a dial indicator that you just happen to have to know how to put the shims in. I mean im also a mechanical engineering student and being a student I just didn't seem to have the perfect tools to guess how and what to do. I did my research that way I didn't have to guess so it was done right. Nice job though. One question I really have is where do you work that lets you buy 5 different t5 transmissions just to have? Cause I work 20 hours a week and it kinda hurts my grades but it does get me by
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Its crazy being a student and somehow guessing that you need a dial indicator that you just happen to have to know how to put the shims in. I mean im also a mechanical engineering student and being a student I just didn't seem to have the perfect tools to guess how and what to do. I did my research that way I didn't have to guess so it was done right. Nice job though. One question I really have is where do you work that lets you buy 5 different t5 transmissions just to have? Cause I work 20 hours a week and it kinda hurts my grades but it does get me by
Wow, fat fingers tonight I guess *2 transmissions. Sorry about that. And I bought those my senior year in highschool, $350 for both trans', a king cobra clutch, bellhousing, clutch fork, and a a Tri-Ax shifter. One of those once-every-few-years deals you come across.

Yes, it's crazy. It is a lot of fun to apply what you know/learn somewhere besides on a sheet of paper. :smoke:
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hey you all, thanks for the posts.
that sounds cool about you rebuilding those ones yldpony.
you guys are getting me excited to take one apart and to
get that video. because that manual is real good that RLG listed,
i'm already using it to *try* to 'diagnose' the 2 trouble transmissions I mentioned. Just from thinking and not really looking at the parts yet. but,
I'd like to get that video too silvers, unless I saw that I would not know what the parts looked like good or broken, that sounds like a good learning too.
I found this 'rebuild kit'
Motive Gear T5R - Motive Gear Transmissions - Overview - SummitRacing.com
is that a whole rebuild kit or a partial kit?
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yldpony, thanks for the link to that ebay store too. looks like lots of good things to use.

If a gear is grinding going in, would you try to replace that gear or could it be that the clutch cable would need to be adjusted since it was a new cable put in by the previous owner. maybe they never got it adjusted. don't know if its adjustable thou. is there an easy way to tell that? thanks
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Update:
will a non world class t5 work in a stock 5.0?

for a 'rebuild' is a broken fork hard to fix?
i was thinking of getting this one with a broken fork.
could i fix this for my first t5 fix?
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here is the photos of tehe non wc t5... i was hinking of putting this in hte 85gt 5.0 since its the lowest hp 5.0 ill have (lower than the 87 5.0s I think)
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From what I understand the only way to know what T5 you have is by the tag that should be hanging off a bolt. All the stamped pieces are just mold numbers. It could be as easy as buying a new clutch fork and putting it in its place. I am not sure if I would use a non-world class?
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hey silvers. I'm not sure about the non world class either. I know they are similar with slightly different material parts rated for less HP. if anyone
knows the different HP ratings for WC and non-WC T5 that would be nice to know. Thanks for the tag info. The guy specified it wasnt the clutch fork that was broken but the fork inside the T5. If you look close at that first pic when you enlarge it you can see the broke fork. Would U mess with this one or find one 'less broken'
thanks for any further advice.
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