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Old 01-27-2004   #1 (permalink)
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Default Horsepower rating for stock H.O 5.0

I can buy a factory spec re-built H.O. 5.0 from a local high volume engine shop really cheap. It is a longblock with stock heads. What was the factory HP rating for the 87-95 H.O.'s? With a few mods (slightly larger cam, roller rockers, good carb/intake, port-matching) what kind of HP/torque could I expect? The car is going to be a daily driver and I am looking for about 300 HP, give or take a little.
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you need to be more specific on cam. porting your heads will only give you small numbers. to get even close to 300 horse, you will need to invest more then just porting the stock heads and adding a slightly larger cam. stock was 225 until 93 and then it went to 215 but it really was pretty much the same rating. 87's were the fastest from what i understood.
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87's were the fastest from what i understood.
i have heard the same things from a couple places. Supposidly a big FORD guy was at a local place talking Mustangs in general and the guy was saying how the 87 was the most powerful 5.0... i doubted it but it explains why i was beating 91-93 mustangs w/ loads more mods by quite a bit.. i know no one will support that theory but i just wanted to say i have heard the same rumors??
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Actually the 87-92 are rated at 225, and 93 at 205, not 215. There was no loss of power, Ford changed there formula in 93 to start representing more accurate (real) numbers. The speed density Stangs have been proven to be slightly faster, but not much. The fact that they dont take modding well, makes them completely inferior if they are to be modded. Im not sure if youre gonna get 300 hp at the crank with just a cam, rollers and port matching. You may have to add an aftermarket intake and whatnot...
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A mass aired 5.0 HO (88 California to 92) comes with 225hp and 300ft lbs of torque stock. In 93 the numbers went down for some reason. They did change the pistons from forged to hyperutectic (however you spell them) and did some other stuff. Ford was very odd about their horsepower numbers back then, but only to lower insurnace costs on the car.

I mean, they rated the '93 Cobra at 235hp and it came with a better mass air meter, throttle body, intake manifold, injecors, and heads. It's really hard to guess whether the 5.0 HO made more or less power than the advertised numbers, especially in times like 1993 and the SN95s when they advertised it being 10-15hp lower.
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Actually the 87-92 are rated at 225, and 93 at 205, not 215. There was no loss of power, Ford changed there formula in 93 to start representing more accurate (real) numbers. The speed density Stangs have been proven to be slightly faster, but not much. The fact that they dont take modding well, makes them completely inferior if they are to be modded. Im not sure if youre gonna get 300 hp at the crank with just a cam, rollers and port matching. You may have to add an aftermarket intake and whatnot...
you might want to double check that....they dont react well to most cams, but there sre speed density cams out there
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I've beaten SEVERAL mass air cars in my day. Don't knock speed density. I've done all my mods and it idles fine and accellerates insanely.
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Mass air is just a more accurate way of metering the incoming air. That doesn't mean that you can't have a fast MAP 5.0... Everything is in proper tuning folks.
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Im not tryin to knock speed density. Im just sayin that if your car is mass air you dont have many compatability issues like you do with speed density. Im sure speed density is great, just less to choose from.
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Well since almost everbody who's posting is barely old enough or can't remember when the 87's came out I thought I'd through in my 2 cents. The 87 to 92 5.0 H.O. engines are rated at 225 HP I think this is the stock engine rating you are asking about (the most commom anyways)As for the 87's being faster or the fastest in stock form they were . Check out any posted e.t's from old magazines. Speed density cars were a bit faster a friend had a almost new 87 and a then new 88 which I remember riding in compared to my 89 mass air car.which I bought a few years after that.Keep in mind back in 1987 the Mustang could be ordered as a "stripper" meaning radio delete etc. So the car would be as light as possible right off the bat. There was a fellow in Winnipeg ,Mb Canada named Ed Hohenberg who ran such a car in the then super stock class who ran terrific times. I have alot of info on these fox body cars from 87 to 93. Magazines books articles you name it. (I have offered a possible sampling of what I have to this website but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears) It's funny how stories get exagerrated/twisted over time when compared to actual fact. Plus the fact that I was 18 when the 87 LX came out(21 when I bought mine) and I was drooling over them. I remember them vividly as more and more appeared on the street and in our dealer showrooms. . Also 225 hp doesnt seem like much (some factory cars were actually dynoed less than that.) but I pulled off a 14.6 rather easliy im my lx coupe 100% untouched engine after only 4 runs I ever made. Potential for this car and the 87 & 88 speed density(stock form) is definitely there As for you to get a realistic 300 dynoed HP from a carbed engine it will require a few bucks for sure and some well though out parts that will complement each other not detract from the engine. Do more homework on the carb/intake/cam/head selection. You dont want to be dissapointed after spending X number of dollars on the engine thinking it should have 300 hp only to find out it doesnt and your car runs like a dog at the track and on the street. Good Luck
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cam change in late 88 3 horsepower loss, lots of other small changes that resulted in horsepower ford did't count.
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the 86 5.0 H.O. is also rated at 225 hp. just to let you all know.
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