AFM Web

Go Back   Ford Mustang Forums > Mustang Forums > 5.0 Mustang > 5.0L Tech
Welcome to AllFordMustangs.com. We look forward to you registering on our forum and making your first post.
Introductions | Mustang Lounge | 5.0 Talk | 5.0 Tech | 94-95 Tech | Mustang Tech | Racing | Regional

Reply
 
Old 09-20-2004   #1 (permalink)
Gible is offline Rookie


Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 10 Threads: 5
Arrow Detailed information about setting your throttle position sensor voltage

I want to tune my Throttle position sensor and I was wondering what kind of volt meter you need, because I have a voltage multimeter and I'm not sure what setting I should have it on, or if it'll even work. Can someone please explain?
Gible is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2004   #2 (permalink)
Stangboy5666 is offline Made Member

5.0L Member


Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,216 Threads: 177
 Stangboy5666's Country Flag  View Stangboy5666's 11 photos  View Stangboy5666's 3 products for your review
Seattle   Washington
Default

I need help too because Im not sure what Im adjusting. Is the whole TPS supposed to move? Is it just that round part in the middle? Mine looks like its all one piece. My volts are only at like .60v... I am confused
__________________
Cardinal Red '88 GT 5 speed, Cobra Upper/Lower, Dynomax complete Super-Turbo cat-back system, Turbo Coupe Rear 10" discs, 3:73 gears, SN95 Master Cylinder, Summit Racing adjustable proportioning valve, Spec Stage II kevlar clutch, steeda adjustable cable/quadrant, 73mm front calipers, P.A. Performance 130 amp alternator, 99 Contour Electric Dual Fans, Battery relocated, rebuilt 91 T-5, Mass Air conversion

Last edited by Stangboy5666; 09-20-2004 at 11:45 PM.
Stangboy5666 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2004   #3 (permalink)
GhostDog 5.0 is offline Top Dog

5.0L Member


Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,091 Threads: 164
 GhostDog 5.0's Country Flag  View GhostDog 5.0's 20 photos  View GhostDog 5.0's HomePage
Edinburg   Texas
Send a message via AIM to GhostDog 5.0 Send a message via Yahoo to GhostDog 5.0
Default

Let me explain what the throttle position sensor does and how it could tell the computer any information.

To get a better sense, remove the TP sensor from the throttle body completely. You will see an end sticking out simliar to a flat screwdriver. That will fit into the throttle position sensor. As you push the throttle , it turns. When it turns it changes the voltage that the sensor reports. So if your sensor is set too high, it reports that the throttle is somewhat pressed (to an a small extent but it is still incorrect). When it shows it higher, it tells the computer "Im at this point of the Wide open throttle cycle." Imagine the sensor is reporting equivelant to the pedal being pressed 10% down, but it's actually at 5%. What does it do when it reads higher? It dumps more fuel because you need more fuel to accellerate. Or it could read the other way around. You could be at Wide open throttle (the pedal is being pressed to the floor) but it only reads you are around 3/4 to the floor. You are telling the computer where you are at and it adjusts how much fuel to add (simply put).

When you adjust the idle screw you are opening/closing the throttle butterfly more. Well guess what is sitting on top of the the butterfly? Your TP sensor. So when you adjust the idle screw , you adjust the voltage of the TP sensor because it turns it more one direction that it was already calibrated at. So when you adjust one, you should adjust the other, making sure though the TP sensor is always set last!

Ok. First of all you set the TPS when the car is off and the keys are up (radio comes on). Make sure your voltage meter is DIGITAL , not the sweeping kind. Set it to DC voltage reading, not AC or anything else. Push a sewing needle through the center of the green wire coming off of the TP sensor.You are going to be hooking up the red (positive) wire to the needle that you pushed through. I like to put the black wire (ground) up the the bolt that holds the TP sensor onto the throttle body. Ok by now you know what wire needs to checked and where to hook up your ground. Read your meter. It can read anywhere from 0.00v to 3.00 depending on how messed up it is. As described earlier the meter determines the voltage by how much the butterfly of the throttle body is opened because it rides directly on top. So we must turn the throttle position sensor to match the voltage we need (it is a small fraction of a turn but it still moves some). You are trying to set it at 0.98 volts !

To turn the throttle position sensor we need to loosen the two bolts that hold it. This allows us to turn the sensor clockwise or counter clockwise. To figure out which way it needs to go you must know where it currently is. If it's too high, you need to lower it. Turn it one direction, if it goes even higher or lower than you need you must turn it the other direction. It can be slightly tedious , turning and checking the voltage. It helps to have a buddy hold the wires on the correct spot and you turn it as necessary so you can read it in realtime. Once you have it set at the right spot tighten the bolts down. Recheck your voltage to make sure it didn't move. If the voltage changed loosen the bolts slightly and try to nudge the sensor so you can still move it but it won't move when you tighten it.

After that you are set. You can start charging people good money to tune their TPS.
__________________
89 GT Hatch: Custom M90 Supercharged w/ Ported Trickflow Trackheat Heads, Stage 1 cam, Streetheat lower / Sheet metal upper, Tweecer RT & PLX Wideband, 75mm TB, 1.6 Roller rockers, 3.73s, MSD 6a, Canton 7qt Pan+ Windage tray, 36LB Injectors, 200 amp Alternator, 75mm Pro-Mas MAF, 190lph fuel pump,Spec Stage 1 Clutch,SouthSide LCA's, Pro 5.0 Shifter, Steeda CC Plates / Springs, FMS Aluminum Driveshaft, New T5 w/ 2.95 first gear, Underdrive pullies, Zirgo 3300Cfm Elec. Fan, AFCO alum. radiator

Last edited by GhostDog 5.0; 01-07-2005 at 09:27 AM.
GhostDog 5.0 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2004   #4 (permalink)
meangreen92 is offline Top Dog

5.0L Member


Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,021 Threads: 111
 meangreen92's Country Flag  View meangreen92's 14 photos
Southern   Ohio
Default

Reading this post made me realize that when it comes time to let the EPA
search your exhaust, the TPS is something to retune, probably to a lower
setting. The higher voltage richens the mixture earlier. I barely passed
the sniffer last time (3 tries), but never thought to turn it back to a lower
setting.
__________________
1992 Deep Emerald Green Mustang GT Hatch, 5 speed, 2.73s, Mac fenderwell cold air intake, '93 Cobra MAF, Mac 70mm throttle body & spacer, Explorer intakes, Mac unequal headers & offroad pipe, Magnaflow catback, Walbro 110lph fuel pump, Jet adjustable FPR, MSD Blaster coil, Accel 8mm wires, FRPP aluminum quadrant, UPR firewall adjuster, stock cable, Granatelli upper control arms.
Waiting to go on: Granatelli lower control arms, and GT40 Iron heads!
meangreen92 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2004   #5 (permalink)
Gible is offline Rookie


Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 10 Threads: 5
Default

Would a non-digital votmeter work?
Gible is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2004   #6 (permalink)
GhostDog 5.0 is offline Top Dog

5.0L Member


Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,091 Threads: 164
 GhostDog 5.0's Country Flag  View GhostDog 5.0's 20 photos  View GhostDog 5.0's HomePage
Edinburg   Texas
Send a message via AIM to GhostDog 5.0 Send a message via Yahoo to GhostDog 5.0
Default

Digital is the most accurate.
GhostDog 5.0 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2004   #7 (permalink)
Thunder122 is offline Apprentice

5.0L Member


Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 195 Threads: 42
 Thunder122's Country Flag  View Thunder122's 5 photos  View Thunder122's HomePage
Indiana
Send a message via Yahoo to Thunder122
Default

Its really easy 2 do thanks to ghost dog when he explained it 2 me in my terms and yes the whole thing moves not just the middle of it sorry the hole black peice
__________________
87 mustang gt 5.0 5 speed,Flowmaster,Bored .30 over ,BBK Shorty Headers,Steeda short thow,New engine fully rebuild pure carb..
Thunder122 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2004   #8 (permalink)
lunchbox is offline Apprentice


Joined: May 2004
Posts: 90 Threads: 17
Default

Outstanding Post!!!! Good read, I'll have to check mine out.
lunchbox is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2004   #9 (permalink)
FoxChassis is offline Senior Member

5.0L Member


Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,443 Threads: 12
 FoxChassis's Country Flag
NOYB
Default

It does not have to be exactly +0.98v. That an old myth that seems to never die. Anything just under +1.00v is perfectly acceptable.
__________________
'83 GT, '84 LTD LX, '85 LTD LX (parts car), '96 B2300 SE, '99 CVPI
FoxChassis is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2005   #10 (permalink)
wayne94mustang is offline Made Member

5.0L Member


Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,261 Threads: 15
 wayne94mustang's Country Flag  View wayne94mustang's 14 photos
Hershy   Pennsylvania
Send a message via MSN to wayne94mustang
Default

i know a guy who runs his at . 600 cuse his 95 is way rich at .98 and yes he had it everywere to find out why but his car is realy fussy... more than most iv seen so there is no 100% right or wrong. mine likes .900 go figure.
__________________
94 gt aode baumannator,pi stallion 3000 stall,transgo,mega bite jrs,3.90 gears,31 spine moser axles,comp exteme,1.7 roller rockers,190 pump,mac cold air,ford 1 5/8 unequals, off road h,flowmaster 2 chamber with stainless tails,msd box,PIH(a9p computer ajustable fan controler),q1a k-member,kenny brown frame ties,driveshaft loop,air pump eliminator kit,bbk 70mm tb,pro-m bullit meter,24#injecters,ported heads&intake,and all the little bolt ons.
wayne94mustang is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2005   #11 (permalink)
jason91notch is offline Apprentice


Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 192 Threads: 47
 jason91notch's Country Flag
Default

maybe im doin something wrong, but i cant figure out how to adjust it! i loosen the 2 screws, but to me it seems like its non adjustable! is it just me and im doing something wrong here, or is there somethin else i need to do or what????
__________________
91 notch, 11.5:1 331, victor jr. heads, victor efi manifold, trick flow stage 3 cam. 401 RWHP through AOD hitting the stock rev limiter at 6200. (not including an extra 200hp motivation from a nitrous works system):-D
jason91notch is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2005   #12 (permalink)
Fordgazm is offline Top Dog

5.0L Member


Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,290 Threads: 297
 Fordgazm's Country Flag  View Fordgazm's 3 products for your review  View Fordgazm's HomePage
Wayne   Ohio
Send a message via Yahoo to Fordgazm
Default

sometimes you need to use a drill and slightly ovalize the holes for more adjustment .
__________________
Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...
Fordgazm is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2005   #13 (permalink)
clint walker is offline Apprentice

5.0L Member


Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 142 Threads: 8
 clint walker's Country Flag  View clint walker's 25 photos  View clint walker's HomePage
Colorado Springs   Colorado
Default

don't forget to check the resistance on the meter leads...if you've got high resistance in you leads it could give you a false reading. good continuity should be like .01 or .02 ohms.
__________________
93GT-Paxton NOVI 1000 12psi,ported GT40 heads&intake,E303 cam,1.6 roller rockers,MSD digital 6+ w/blaster coil,BBK equal shorties,basani X-pipe w/high flow cats,2ch Flowmasters, 24lb injectors,255lph fuel pump,BBK adjustable fuel pressure reg,70mm throttle body,76mm MAFs,JMS custom chip,355 gears & 31 spline moser axles,king cobra clutch,steeda adjustable clutch cable&quad,aluminum drive shaft,hurst comp shifter......
86 GT- sold (dammit)
clint walker is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2005   #14 (permalink)
1stPny is offline Apprentice

5.0L Member


Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 253 Threads: 10
 1stPny's Country Flag
Charleston   South Carolina
Send a message via AIM to 1stPny
Default

You can also adjust the TPS voltage by adjusting the butterfly screw underneath the throttle body. If I recall it is a 12 mm bolt. I adjusted my stock TPS about 20 times. Come to find out. I replaced my TPS (new from autozone for $30) and I had to readjust everything again.


I run mine close to 1 volt but I believe it is set at .985 or so.
__________________
'89 LX 5.0 Hatchback
For accuracy on your track times. GO TO THE TRACK!
8.1 with 5spd et streets
AOD all motor 8.8@78 mph street tires
125 shot nitous 7.51@91 mph street tires
1stPny is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2005   #15 (permalink)
kenlani is offline Apprentice

5.0L Member


Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 155 Threads: 31
 kenlani's Country Flag
Portola   California
Cool Initial throttle gap?

Does anyone know what the initial throttle opening setting is supposed to be?

I have searched everywhere and even ford cant tell me----seems that that is rather a rather crucial setting when initially setting up your intake system

I have three throttle bodies and they are all set different--there must be a initial setting????HMMMMMM?
__________________
Red 86 GT Convert-K&N, heads shaved .020", ford racin wires,solid quadrant, firewall adjuster, Hurst shifter, black 92 interior, poly bushings, 2 1/2 flowmasters w/ maxflow cats

Red 85 Eddie Bauer 5.0 Bronco
and a Kia
kenlani is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Voltage fluctuates when checking throttle position sensor voltage? brokerj 5.0L Tech 6 07-26-2006 01:03 PM
throttle body setting kenlani 5.0L Tech 3 04-21-2004 10:41 AM
if motor stayes idled up, could it be throttle position sensor? WhiteLX 5.0L Tech 3 04-26-2003 10:09 PM
code 181.....Throttle Position Sensor maybe? Maximumrisk 94-95 Tech 4 04-10-2003 05:49 AM
throttle position sensor & idle bypass soleniod? gixxerjoe 94-95 Tech 1 07-15-2002 06:09 PM

sponsors

Mustang Photos
Add to Favorites    Link to us    Contact    Directory    Site Rules    Archive    Terms of Use    Privacy    Top Sites    RSS    Meet Our Sponsors    Advertise   
AllFordMustangs is not affiliated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company. ©Copyright 2002-2010 All Auto Enthusiasts Network

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112