AFM Web

Go Back   Ford Mustang Forums > Mustang Forums > 5.0 Mustang > 5.0L Tech
Welcome to AllFordMustangs.com. We look forward to you registering on our forum and making your first post.
Introductions | Mustang Lounge | 5.0 Talk | 5.0 Tech | 94-95 Tech | Mustang Tech | Racing | Regional

Reply
 
Old 03-01-2005   #1 (permalink)
dragbike18 is offline Registered User


Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 19 Threads: 5
 dragbike18's Country Flag
Sarasota, Florida   Alabama
Question Can I install 1.7 Roller rocker arms on a stock engine ?

I have a mostly stock 89 GT five speed. I was wondering if I can put 1.7 ratio roler rockers in my stock engine. Any help is appreciated.
dragbike18 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2005   #2 (permalink)
stanglx2002 is offline Rookie


Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 12 Threads: 2
 stanglx2002's Country Flag  View stanglx2002's 2 photos  View stanglx2002's HomePage
Dawsonville, GA   Georgia
Send a message via Yahoo to stanglx2002
Default

you will get more lift on your stock cam and a 10 to 15 HP increase bc of the less friction
__________________
88 Mustang GT, Edelbrock Performer 5.0 Intake, Edelbrock 70mm TB, C&L 76mm MAF W/ inlet Tube, Corld Air Kit, Mac 1 5/8 Headers, Dynomax Ultra Flow Mufflers, Subframe Connectors, E303 Cam, Mass Air Conversion, MSD 6A + Blaster Coil, 1.7 Cobra RR, Ford Racing Heavy Duty Clutch, Mac Short Throw Shifter, Adj. Clutch Cable and Billet Quad, 180 thermostat, Kirban Billet Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator w/ Gauge
stanglx2002 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2005   #3 (permalink)
dragbike18 is offline Registered User


Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 19 Threads: 5
 dragbike18's Country Flag
Sarasota, Florida   Alabama
Default

I was wondering if the 1.7 rockers were going to allow the valves to hit the stock pistons. I am pretty sure that the stock pistons have valve reliefs, but I don't know if they will work or not.
dragbike18 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2005   #4 (permalink)
jaybo is offline Rookie


Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 35 Threads: 10
 jaybo's Country Flag
okaloosa   Florida
Default

If it is the origional 89 enguine and has the origional pistons then it should be fine. With the stock cam I have heard of people running 1.7rr on 86's which did not have valve reliefs. You may have to use taller valve covers though. I have a like new set of chrome ones with 302 embossed in them CHEAP. PM if interested
__________________
88 fox bird, 99 explorer p head enguine, intakes, 65mm tb, crower 15511, 1.7 RR, FRPP shorties. 88 GT SD comp. AOD,
SVO mustang 3.45 gear 7.5 rear disk brake axle. 98 GT front spindles and brakes 5 lug 16X8 gt rims. Explorer rear disk 31 spline 3.73 8.8 going in soon.
jaybo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2005   #5 (permalink)
dragbike18 is offline Registered User


Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 19 Threads: 5
 dragbike18's Country Flag
Sarasota, Florida   Alabama
Default

jaybo,

I am interested in the chrome valve covers if they are in good shape. Send me an email at troyer2265@natzero.net and I will get in touch with you as soon as I can. Thanks.
dragbike18 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2005   #6 (permalink)
marks86gt is offline Made Member


Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 579 Threads: 57
 marks86gt's Country Flag
Fairfield   Ohio
Default

I have an 86 with flat top pistons, stock valve covers, and a stock cam. There is a baffle in the driver's side valve cover which you have to remove. It's held in by 2 screws. Only drawback is if you want to add a cam later. Remember that the 1.7 ratio increases lift more than whats listed on the cam sheet. All cams are based on 1.6 ratio.
__________________
Sold:('86 GT Jalapeno Red 'vert, 200,000 miles Lots of Mods!!!!

2006 Mustang GT
C&L Racer, Eibach, SCT, CHE, CMCV Deletes, PRP, 4:10s on the way.

New toy:
1989 Mustang 2.3L Auto. 5.0 waiting in the garage...
marks86gt is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2005   #7 (permalink)
STINGREY is offline Made Member

5.0L Member


Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 851 Threads: 3
 STINGREY's Country Flag
Port Jeff Long Island   New York
Default

the 1.7 rockers will work on your 89 without a problem(valve clearence is fine)as long as your running the stock cam.the valve covers on the 89 will not clear the rockers ,even if you remove the baffle from the pass side you will still have a clearence problem with the driver side.your looking at about a 10hp increase.
__________________
SMOKED BY A FORD LATELY ?
89 GT
STINGREY is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2005   #8 (permalink)
dragbike18 is offline Registered User


Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 19 Threads: 5
 dragbike18's Country Flag
Sarasota, Florida   Alabama
Default

I am looking for valve covers that will clear the 1.7 rockers. Will the "tall" ford motorsport valve covers fit under the stock intake, or do I get "short" valve covers and find a 1/2" spacer?
dragbike18 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2005   #9 (permalink)
Fordgazm is offline Top Dog

5.0L Member


Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,212 Threads: 297
 Fordgazm's Country Flag  View Fordgazm's 3 products for your review  View Fordgazm's HomePage
Wayne   Ohio
Send a message via Yahoo to Fordgazm
Default

The tall ones wont clear the stock intake . I had proform 1.7 rr's on mine and the stock valve covers worked fine . I did remove the baffle in the oil fill port though . Or like you said , you can use a spacer and tall valve covers .
__________________
Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...
Fordgazm is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2005   #10 (permalink)
Foxwolfe is offline Rookie


Joined: May 2004
Posts: 27 Threads: 4
Vallejo, CA
Send a message via AIM to Foxwolfe
Default

As for the comments about the 1.7's and cams, it depends on the lift of the cam, like for instance I'm running 1.7's with an E303 cam and have no problems. I belive clearance isnt an issue with the stock pistons untill your lift gets up near the 550 rangs.
Foxwolfe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2005   #11 (permalink)
86Cobra is offline Made Member

5.0L Member


Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 744 Threads: 3
 86Cobra's Country Flag
Phoenix   Arizona
Default

Ok, guys, it's time for piston to valve clearance 101.

Max lift has nothing to do with clearance. If a cam clears with 1.6 rockers, it'll clear with 1.7s.

When either valve is at max lift, the piston is nowhere near tdc. Clearance issues occur when the piston is near tdc. When the piston is coming up the bore, it chases the exhaust valve closed and when it's going down the bore, the intake valve chases the piston. When the piston is near tdc, the valves are barely open.

The determining factors for clearance are duration and overlap. You need to be concerned with how long the valve is open, and how much the valve openings overlap. Simply put, more overlap typically means the valve openings occur closer to tdc.

The only time max lift is a concern is for the valve springs. Valve springs are rated for coil bind. This is when the valve spring is fully compressed and is a bad thing. The higher the valve lift, the more chance of coil bind. For example, a valve spring may be rated for coil bind at 1.2" with an installed height of 1.85". You typically want to stay at least .050" away from coil bind so the max valve lift you'd want to run in this situation would be 1.85" - 1.20" - .050" = .600".
__________________
86 GT Convertible - NA 306
11.88@116 (~2000' DA), 1.57 60' on BFG DRs
89 LX 5.0 - stock daily driver
86Cobra is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2005   #12 (permalink)
dragbike18 is offline Registered User


Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 19 Threads: 5
 dragbike18's Country Flag
Sarasota, Florida   Alabama
Default

86 Cobra,

Would you happen to know if the stock valve springs will work with the 1.7 rockers?
dragbike18 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005   #13 (permalink)
86Cobra is offline Made Member

5.0L Member


Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 744 Threads: 3
 86Cobra's Country Flag
Phoenix   Arizona
Default

I personally have never run 1.7s with stock springs but many people have w/o problems. How many miles are on the motor? Springs wear with time. If you've got a lot of miles on them (100,000+) I'd consider replacing them anyway.
__________________
86 GT Convertible - NA 306
11.88@116 (~2000' DA), 1.57 60' on BFG DRs
89 LX 5.0 - stock daily driver
86Cobra is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005   #14 (permalink)
dragbike18 is offline Registered User


Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 19 Threads: 5
 dragbike18's Country Flag
Sarasota, Florida   Alabama
Default

I have 160,000 miles on it. I quess I should replace them. Do you think that I should just get stock replacements or should I get some aftermarket ones? Which ones do you recommened? One more question. Did you have to machine down the valve guides to make room for the extra lift of the 1.7s?
dragbike18 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2005   #15 (permalink)
86Cobra is offline Made Member

5.0L Member


Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 744 Threads: 3
 86Cobra's Country Flag
Phoenix   Arizona
Default

TFS makes a nice stock spring upgrade package:

http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...=egnsearch.asp

No, you don't need to make any modifications for 1.7s.
__________________
86 GT Convertible - NA 306
11.88@116 (~2000' DA), 1.57 60' on BFG DRs
89 LX 5.0 - stock daily driver
86Cobra is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
roller rocker arms, valve covers, and intake spacer Maximumrisk 94-95 Tech 16 04-05-2009 03:21 PM
Proper way to adjust roller rocker arms? GhostDog 5.0 5.0L Tech 11 03-22-2008 06:09 AM
Crane 1.7 roller rockers + stock valve covers? Bogart 5.0L Tech 2 07-18-2005 02:00 AM
dfhd savagess Test Area 2 06-26-2005 10:28 AM
What came in my stock 94 GT 5.0 as far as rocker arms? spyder 94-95 Tech 5 05-03-2002 02:56 AM

sponsors

Mustang Photos
Add to Favorites    Link to us    Contact    Directory    Site Rules    Archive    Terms of Use    Privacy    Top Sites    RSS    Meet Our Sponsors    Advertise   
AllFordMustangs is not affiliated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company. ©Copyright 2002-2010 All Auto Enthusiasts Network

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110