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Old 06-20-2006   #1 (permalink)
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My car is actually running quite well and even idles nice and steady. However, I made the mistake of taking it to the dyno and learned that it is pretty lean at WOT, that is up till 4000 rpm.
In the 2000 rpm range it's 15.5 - 15, then about 3300 it goes to 14 and finally at 4000 rpm it richs out to 13.5 and stays there. I'm looking for any ideas. The dyno guys say get a custom tune, like a Diablo chip. However, I'm short on cash for the rest of this year and looking for tires too. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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I'd scan it for codes, before throwing any money at it. You could try the free stuff, like cleaning the Mass Air sensor and maybe the O2s.
What mods are on it?
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Well, as usual, I haven't even thought about covering the basics, ie: cleaning the MAF or O2 sensors. Thanks for your ideas!

Anyway - mods: CAI, 75mm MAF, 70mm TB, RPM II intake, cast GT40 F1ZE heads, E cam, A9L computer, long tube headers, MSD dist., 1.6 SVO roller rockers, 24# injectors. That's all I can think of right now on the motor. However, last year I ran the 1993 Cobra computer with Ford's 70mm MAF and it was a solid 13.5 all the way through the rpm range. Only things I changed this year are the MAF, A9L, 1" intake spacer (I have a Cobra R hood) and adjusting of the idle and TPS. By the way - the new combination picked up 10 RWHP and 15 lbs of torque over last year's Cobra set up.
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My first thought is to blame the C&L MAF housing with ford electronics. Im not a big fan of confusing the computer
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Actually, I have a 75mm Granatelli MAF, not a C&L. Interesting choice of words - "confusing the computer" as that's exactly what the dyno guys said I was doing. Hence the reason they want me to purchase a Diablo chip and some tuning time. Now, I thought the whole reason behind purchasing a MAF calibrated for my 24# injectors is to make it nice and happy with the stock A9L computer?
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I misread , I thought you had a C&L setup. If you have a MAF calibrated for your injector setup then you are good to go.
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Ah, see, that's exactly what I thought. I should be good to go.
Since I bought the A9L used (my car is a mass air conversion), maybe I bought a "bad" one. I don't know of any better way to test than to continue going back to the dyno at $50 / shot. Eventually, I'll be better off to just get a custom chip and tune and let the tuner account for any shortcomings (if possible). It's a little frustrating.
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