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Hey guys, i am thinking about doing a coyote swap in my '95, anyone done this? any opinions?
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Hey guys, i am thinking about doing a coyote swap in my '95, anyone done this? any opinions?
never heard of someone swapping into a 95. I would think it would be tons easier to try the swap with a 96+ instead since they already came with a modular motor.
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Article in MM&FF about guy swapping into white 94 Cobra. Lots of Modification. Theres also a picture of his engine bay in the 2012 Motorsport catalogue.

This is not the cheapest project to think of...understatement...

To answer your question, YES- it can be done, and that article gives the fundamental parts of suspension and drivetrain that needed to be modified.
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Anything can be done but I hope you have deep pockets.
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Article in MM&FF about guy swapping into white 94 Cobra.
It was actually 5.0 Mustang, and here is part 1 of the article:

SN-95 Coyote Engine Swap - Living The Dream - 5.0 Mustang Magazine

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Anything can be done but I hope you have deep pockets.
+1, and possibly beyond deep pockets - Most likely more like a Swiss bank account.
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I don't think it makes sense to put an engine that costs far more than a car is worth into the car. I also don't fall for the Coyote hype (great article above, but it's b.s. to say chasing 400hp will cost as much as a Coyote with all the electronics, exhaust, etc.). Very good engine and fuel-efficient no doubt - - but the engine is weak on torque (unless you throw a supercharger on it). I bet half the guys on the forum modding their old 5.0's can go toe-to-toe with a 2012 on the street. Heck, the Boss only does 12.3 in the 1/4 mile (that's with all the traction-control and suspension improvements that you won't have). I've done high-11's with a turbo 5.0 and I'm a lousy racer and can't get enough traction to save my life. Maybe we don't get 25mpg doing it, but neither do the 2012's when they are driven aggressively. We also don't burn oil and have lifter-ticking out of the factory -- if I had to guess ours will easily be around 20 years from now (what are the 302's now, 40 years old?). The Coyote's too young to know how it will hold up. My $0.02. Not slamming the Coyote, but still a big fan of the old pushrod 5.0.
 
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i will fabricate everything myself,found an engine with the harness and computer and a 6speed auto for 6500, it puts out 412hp and 390lb/ft and with a cam swap and porting the heads it'll be in the 500 range for both.... very acceptable for my 2900 lb car on slicks
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I wish you the best of luck but it is very laborious. I have helped a friend of mine with a shop who has been doing this and there is a lot of work and money tied up into it.

You will need kmember, swap headers, different driveshaft, ac lines fabbed up, power steering pump, and a ton of other things
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I've ridden in that SN Cobra/Coyote and I can tell you, impressive. The best way to describe it is smooth. The power band is very wide.

I'm doing a similar swap in my 93 coupe (93Coupe.com - My 93 Coyote 5.0 Mustang Coupe build.)
However, I've recently decided to build a Boss 302 engine from scratch as opposed to the Coyote crate motor.

As for drivetrains being worth more than the car - that's many cars these days, even new cars.
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it would go into a 96+ much easier since the Coyote is a mod motor at heart, to do it into a small block car is not cost effective since literally the entire drivetrain would have to be replaced, right down to the wiring and ECU...for the same cash you could build the nastiest small block ever...that was my exact thought process when I heard about the new 5.0, I got the 95, tossed the 347 and built a crazy 7.0/427 stroker with NOS, it will make a Coyote howl like it was run over
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it would go into a 96+ much easier since the Coyote is a mod motor at heart, to do it into a small block car is not cost effective since literally the entire drivetrain would have to be replaced, right down to the wiring and ECU...for the same cash you could build the nastiest small block ever...that was my exact thought process when I heard about the new 5.0, I got the 95, tossed the 347 and built a crazy 7.0/427 stroker with NOS, it will make a Coyote howl like it was run over
Ahh, but this isn't exactly true. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the swap is cheap (lol at my bank account) but..

95 vs 96 makes very little difference. You can't use the engine controls from either one. Both of them require an aftermarket K-member to install. Coyote uses the same modular bell housing pattern as the rest of the mod motors - so that's not too difficult or even expensive.

In my eyes, the only "slightly" more difficult part of using a 95 vs a 96+ is that you would probably want to install hydroboost in the 95. Not impossible and not very expensive but it's some additional work.

Here's a nice setup to help with the accessory issues for any swap:
Coyote 5.0 Serpentine Swap Kit Power Steering, A/C - Billet
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Ahh, but this isn't exactly true. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the swap is cheap (lol at my bank account) but..

95 vs 96 makes very little difference. You can't use the engine controls from either one. Both of them require an aftermarket K-member to install. Coyote uses the same modular bell housing pattern as the rest of the mod motors - so that's not too difficult or even expensive.

In my eyes, the only "slightly" more difficult part of using a 95 vs a 96+ is that you would probably want to install hydroboost in the 95. Not impossible and not very expensive but it's some additional work.

Here's a nice setup to help with the accessory issues for any swap:
Coyote 5.0 Serpentine Swap Kit Power Steering, A/C - Billet
WRONG...what about the transmission, fuel system, cooling, exhaust and a gazillion other items...at least some of the mod 96 motor stuff like the transmission would bolt up...not so with small block car
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...for the same cash you could build the nastiest small block ever... it will make a Coyote howl like it was run over
I'd say that's the final word on what is logical. I'd only add that it puts an even bigger grin on my face when I've spanked them with 20 year old iron. But I give kudos to the guys trying it even though it's not for me.
 
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well lets put it this way, im using the shell of a '96, and the cobra wheels and brakes from my '95, its getting a fuel cell with a complete new fuel system, 6 point gage, dyna mat everywhere, all new cobra suspension including coil overs up front, ford 9 inch in the rear with some moser c clip eliminators and some 4:10's. so to say this will be custom is an understatement of sorts. i had a rep from upr tell me that i need a '96 k-member with '05 engine mounts, still havent found the headers i want though... also a new thought is a small kenne bell on top
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