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Old 05-23-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Question AFR 165's or trick flow twisted wedge?????

Help please, I am wanting to order heads for my 95, I will be putting them on the stock short block with a steeda #19 cam. I want AFR's because of everything I've read but I can buy trick flows $300 less. The twisted wedge was one of my first choices but everything I read shows that the AFR's are way better. Is there $300 difference in the heads, all of the articles on them show dyno numbers and flow numbers but is the difference even noticeable when driving the car? I am planning on using the trick flow intake so that makes me lean more toward them also, I would like to use their complete kit but I don't know how their cam would work with a 94-95 computer, I know the steeda is supposed to work good and they recomended afr's along with everyone else I've talked to. Please give me some oppinions on this, $300 will buy more parts that may make more difference than just the heads in my oppinion.
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how much is the #19 cam? and what is the numbers on the cam?
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The #19 cam is $199, I don't know all of the specs but steeda says the power range is from 2000-6000rpm's and the lift was around .500. I have to call them back to get the exact numbers.
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how much is the #19 cam? and what is the numbers on the cam?
The price is $199 and the #'s are dur @.050 Intake 220 exhaust 226 and the lift is 480 intake and exhaust. The lobe center is 115.
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the 300 dollar difference is because the afr's come ported and tfs tw's do not.and have you looked at the tfs #1 cam?it's about 60 bucks cheaper.its the one that comes in there kit that your were talking about.aand with the 94-95 comp. you will need a chip done on a dyno.thats what ive been readin here anyways.the stock fuel pressure is 39.
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sorry guys,i guess i was havin a blond moment here by answering 2 different threads at the same time.
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AFR 165's :thumbsup
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I'm kinda in the same spot you are as in trying to find a good set of heads. My choices are AFR 185's($1300) or CNC ported TFS Twisted Wedge($1800). I was told that the TFS heads design mixes the air/fuel around in the combustion chamber because of the swirl design. The chamber sizes are 61cc and 65cc respectively both have 2.02 int and 1.60 exh valves with both haveing 185cc Int runners, AFR 69cc and TFS 66cc exh runners, both are cnc ported. But anyways i was told by a mechanic that sponsors Detrick(sp?) Racing and use to work on NMRA 6 sec cars that the TFS heads are the way to go.

I hopes that helps in your choice. Good luck.

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I would try selecting another cam, maybe the TFS stage 1 over the steeda #19 if you go with the TFS Heads. But if you have a money to spend, get a custom grind plus the AFR 165's. You will not be dissapointed.
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I would try selecting another cam, maybe the TFS stage 1 over the steeda #19 if you go with the TFS Heads. But if you have a money to spend, get a custom grind plus the AFR 165's. You will not be dissapointed.
Why another cam? Is there something wrong with the Steeda, I am only leaning toward it because I've heard it works really well with the 94-95 computer. I was told that the stage 1 TF cam did'n work to well in the 94-95's. I have actually thought about leaving the stock cam in but I don't know how it would do with the heads and intake, what rpm would the peak hp be at with the stocker. I shift at 5000rpm now because the car falls on it's face after that but have been told that's mostly the stock intake causing that and that the stock cam is good to around 5300 with an intake. Thanks for the info so far.
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AS noted, the AFR's flow more than the TW but you probably won't notice the difference unless you're racing competitively. The lobe center of the cam is the key to working well with the 94-95 program. You want 112-115 degree lobe center for no intake/exhaust overlap. The stock computer doesn't handle overlap very well. Plus, the stock computer stops advancing spark timing at about 5000 rpm which is another reason the motor stops pulling above that. You said you want to run the stock short block, which implies stock pistons. Choose cam lift carefully or you'll need to fly cut your pistons to clear the larger valves. The TW valves are positioned so you don't have to fly cut the pistons unless you go over .500 lift on the cam. Regardless of what head/cam combo you choose, you'll eventually want a dyno tune and chip burned to run best with the additional flow you'll have with the intake-head-cam combo. That $300 difference in head price will probably get you a dyno tune and custom burn on a chip. BTW if the custom chip rolls into your plan, it can be programmed to handle the cam overlap so you can get that 60's muscle car sound many of us still like.
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