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I think its silly not to expect the gains to occur up top. The intake will require retuning, which is exactly what happens on the boss. May not reach the same numbers (as the boss features a different exhaust cam with just a hair bit more lift, different heads, and a few other pieces), but silly to think this intake system brings nothing to the table, especially for those interested in high revving performance (a road race nut like myself)
I wasn't saying there will be no gains up top. I DO think there will be gains up top, and I said that. I just believe they will be disappointing without the cams to take advantage of the new rev range. My main point is that the likely gains will probably be offset by a corresponding loss in low and mid-range torque. Maybe a road race nut like you would appreciate it, but most people spend 99% of their time on the street.

I'm just saying, for now, I'll spend my money on LT headers and a 3 inch exhaust. When someone makes some cams, maybe then I'll package them with the intake. But since I expect to buy a Ford Racing blower anyway, it really doesn't matter.
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Hey, any of you guys installing this, I'll take your GT Strut Tower brace off your hands if you'll give me a good deal. Just pm or email me.
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I think that with VCT it will be possible for a knowledgeable tuner (Bama) to squeeze as much as possible from this manifold. It may require higher RPM, but the 5.0 seems to be holding together so far.
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I wasn't saying there will be no gains up top. I DO think there will be gains up top, and I said that. I just believe they will be disappointing without the cams to take advantage of the new rev range. My main point is that the likely gains will probably be offset by a corresponding loss in low and mid-range torque. Maybe a road race nut like you would appreciate it, but most people spend 99% of their time on the street.

I'm just saying, for now, I'll spend my money on LT headers and a 3 inch exhaust. When someone makes some cams, maybe then I'll package them with the intake. But since I expect to buy a Ford Racing blower anyway, it really doesn't matter.
For sure. Its true this is all conjecture until we see some results

My thinking's based off that the cars share their intake cams, just different exhaust cams, so I'm hoping that with programming for this intake there shouldn't be too much loss down low. Tough for me to honestly expect that as the 5.0 coyote is already extremely efficient.
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The actual cam difference from the GT to the Boss isn't all that extreme. The cam has some lift added but it's not leaps and bounds different. From what I can gather:

M-6550-M50BR
• Original exhaust cams on BOSS 302R Mustang engine
13 mm lift and 263 duration vs. 11 mm lift and 263 duration on the base production 5.0L engine
• Not compatible with base 5.0L head
• Compatible with M-6049/6050-M50BR Cylinder Heads

They're not compatible with the 5.0L heads, so they can't be swapped in. Regardless, Comp cams is here to save us with their new cams which will be available at AM within the next month or so.

I think that the manifold is largely responsible for the power difference, that and the heads flow alot more.
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For sure. Its true this is all conjecture until we see some results

My thinking's based off that the cars share their intake cams, just different exhaust cams, so I'm hoping that with programming for this intake there shouldn't be too much loss down low. Tough for me to honestly expect that as the 5.0 coyote is already extremely efficient.
I didn't know that it was only an exhaust cam difference. I also didn't know that the Boss had modified heads. As far as the efficiency thing goes, I have been SERIOUSLY impressed with the gains that these motors have been producing with bolt-ons (funny that I say that after just arguing that the int. man. is gonna be disappointing). I was seriously worried that we new 5.0 owners were going to find ourselves in the same boat as cars like the Honda S2000 or new BMW M3 (the V8). Those engines are so efficient that it pretty much REQUIRES either boost, juice, or displacement to see any real gains.

I thought for sure Ford had taken the fun out of it by tuning the car too far from the factory. I was wrong as hell!!! These things respond to bolt-ons almost as well the Terminators did. I really just can't get over how much Ford has impressed me with this engine. And the transmission!!! When people ask me about the car I always talk about the motor, but forget the tranny. It is just awesome (the M82)!!! I HATED the T-56 in my Termie, and don't even get me started about that damn clutch cable.

HEY AMCHRIS, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BUILD A KIT TO RETROFIT A HYDRAULIC CLUTCH SYSTEM INTO THE '99-04 CARS!!! Seriously, I alone could sell 7-8 of them to friends. That damn clutch cable was the bane of my existence in my Terminator and '01 GT. I went through FIVE cables in under 3 years in the Cobra. I eventually started carrying a spare cable and the tools with me in the trunk. That's sad.
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The actual cam difference from the GT to the Boss isn't all that extreme. The cam has some lift added but it's not leaps and bounds different. From what I can gather:

M-6550-M50BR
• Original exhaust cams on BOSS 302R Mustang engine
13 mm lift and 263 duration vs. 11 mm lift and 263 duration on the base production 5.0L engine
• Not compatible with base 5.0L head
• Compatible with M-6049/6050-M50BR Cylinder Heads

They're not compatible with the 5.0L heads, so they can't be swapped in. Regardless, Comp cams is here to save us with their new cams which will be available at AM within the next month or so.

I think that the manifold is largely responsible for the power difference, that and the heads flow alot more.
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Do you know why the Boss cams do not work in the stock 5.0? It would be nice to know the difference in cylinder heads other than better flow. Do the Boss heads have a better design for racing application?

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I suspect the forged rods in the boss motor could be hinting at whatever Ford is up to with this car.

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Not 100% sure why the Boss cams wont work. Maybe it's just that you also need the springs and retainers? I'll definitely find out.

Those forged pistons are definitely a sign for things to come! That, and I think they knew the aftermarket would be heavy on this platform.
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On a side note, will the Boss 302 seats be available?
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I notice on your website you are taking pre-orders for the splitter, and list part number M-16601-MB but show the street splitter. The M-16601-MB I think is the Laguna Seca splitter which includes the metal brace and support rods yet the picture on your site is the street one. Just under $800 seems a bit much for the street splitter but is in line with the Laguna Seca.
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I just saw another vendor who is claiming they are shipping next week. And their shop did tuning for an upcoming magazine article. So they couldn't release power gain figures.

Is AmericanMuscle already building tune files for this mod? And are you shipping sooner?
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Chris at AM,

Interested in the intake. Want to keep my Steeda cold Air. I'm thinking Steeda may need to come out with a different tube though if the intake sits higher. Any thoughts on that?

Also, not sure the stock 5.0, 19 inch wheel models that came with the GT strut tower brace will fit over this intake. Do you guys have a 2011 5.0 with the factory GT brace that you can also confirm that once you get the Boss intake from Ford?

Lastly, when I look at pic's of the new Boss engine compartment, of course it does not have GT 5.0 cowl plastic cover we have on our 2011's. It does seem to have along side of the Boss Intake, plastic covers on each side of the value covers. Nice look.

Will those be available as well though AM or will we need to go to Ford parts?



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Dyno results will be up a little later this week. While this manifold does lose a little bit of low-mid range power on a naturally aspirated car, it gains as much as 58RWHP from 7000 and up! It smooths out the whole powerband, and when used with nitrous (like we did) it's a huge increase! We have plenty of before/after testing - as well as some track footage to share with you.

Let's start off with the JLT intake, which fits perfectly... like it was made for it. We tested the Airaid intake, which also fits, but you have to trim a half inch off of each side of the coupler to the throttle body. The C&L intake fits. The Steeda works with the 2010 steeda elbow. We decided to use the JLT plastic intake for all of our testing because it seems to fit the best and we loved the horsepower/torque results!

So anyway...

We went to the track again today with our 2011 Automatic GT with the NEW JLT plastic cold air intake and Boss Intake manifold... and here's how we did. Beautiful day, about 50 degrees, partly cloudy... track was prepped really ****ty, but it is what it is...

11.64 @ 117.75 MPH with 4.10 gears, off-road x-pipe, Boss manifold, L&M throttle body, JLT plastic CAI and Bama 93 Race tune, stock trans, stock manifold, stock converter, mickey thompsons with racestar industries wheels

10.43 @ 130 MPH with all of the same mods as above plus 150 shot from an NX wet kit, nozzle.




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