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Intune w/ 2013 GT Auto Trans

Alright, I think I'm ready to load a tune on my 2013 GT/CS w/ Auto trans, mainly because of the trans, although I do have some concerns.

First, I do like the way my tranny shifts for the most part. I live on an Air Force Base and most of time time I just tool around to work and wherever else just barley touching the gas. I like how the trans shifts at a lower RPM with light throttle and how it shifts VERY smooth. I have no real complaints about the transmission from a daily driver stand point. What can I say, when I'm not jumping on the gas I really enjoy the smooth operation of the car.

Here is what I am looking for from the tune. I'd like it to shift "firmer" at WOT, but at light throttle I'd like the trans to pretty much behave the way it does now. Again, unless I'm looking to "play" I love how soon the trans chases O/D and how smooth it shifts. I'd like to retain this type of operation even with a tune.

I hate that I can't do a power brake with the car. I guess in 2013 Ford started making it so the car won't rev over 2K RPM if you mash the gas and the brake at the same time.(Brake Over Accelerator or BOA "feature" I assume?) Can AM fix this with the Intune? Sometimes, a guy just wants to smoke his tires

Last thing is, out of the hole the car isn't really that quick. If I mash the gas from a dead stop on black top, it won't even chirp the tires most of the time. On concrete it will a little, but it still doesn't seem to rev high enough right off the jump to develop any real power. Maybe this is a throttle response issue??? Anyway to fix this?

I've ran several BAMA race tunes in the past with good results, but never with an Auto trans vehicle. Honestly, I'm just a little scared to spend 400 bucks and than want to put the car back to stock because the "daily drive-ability" of transmission is not good.

Also, you guys still offer the 3yr/36K BAMA number 8 cylinder warranty right?

Could you please explain to me in some detail how you calibrate the auto transmission on the newer GT's? THANKS!

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If you're not chirping the tires at WOT in a 5.0 from a dead stop, you obviously have traction control on... Try turning that off. Also, try holding your foot on the brake and revving it up to ~2000 rpm, then slamming the gas and letting the brake off. That gets me a squeal out of my 2011 v6 auto with 2.73 gears.

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I hate that I can't do a power brake with the car. I guess in 2013 Ford started making it so the car won't rev over 2K RPM if you mash the gas and the brake at the same time.(Brake Over Accelerator or BOA "feature" I assume?) Can AM fix this with the Intune? Sometimes, a guy just wants to smoke his tires
You can power brake in a 2013 auto. Turn off the traction control and AdvanceTrac, then put it in sport mode (I like to use 2nd gear). Stomp on the gas and immediately hit the brake. At first, mine seemed to be stuck around 2K, but I just moved the pedals around slightly and that did the trick. The RPMs shot up and I was surrounded by smoke. Good luck!

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I notice you didn't mention Sport Mode?

I also have a 2013 GT w/ the 6 sp SelectShift auto. While I haven't smoked the tires, I can't imagine that its a problem to do so w/ the 390 ft-lbs of torque...

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Alright, I think I'm ready to load a tune on my 2013 GT/CS w/ Auto trans, mainly because of the trans, although I do have some concerns.

First, I do like the way my tranny shifts for the most part. I live on an Air Force Base and most of time time I just tool around to work and wherever else just barley touching the gas. I like how the trans shifts at a lower RPM with light throttle and how it shifts VERY smooth. I have no real complaints about the transmission from a daily driver stand point. What can I say, when I'm not jumping on the gas I really enjoy the smooth operation of the car.

Here is what I am looking for from the tune. I'd like it to shift "firmer" at WOT, but at light throttle I'd like the trans to pretty much behave the way it does now. Again, unless I'm looking to "play" I love how soon the trans chases O/D and how smooth it shifts. I'd like to retain this type of operation even with a tune.

I hate that I can't do a power brake with the car. I guess in 2013 Ford started making it so the car won't rev over 2K RPM if you mash the gas and the brake at the same time.(Brake Over Accelerator or BOA "feature" I assume?) Can AM fix this with the Intune? Sometimes, a guy just wants to smoke his tires

Last thing is, out of the hole the car isn't really that quick. If I mash the gas from a dead stop on black top, it won't even chirp the tires most of the time. On concrete it will a little, but it still doesn't seem to rev high enough right off the jump to develop any real power. Maybe this is a throttle response issue??? Anyway to fix this?

I've ran several BAMA race tunes in the past with good results, but never with an Auto trans vehicle. Honestly, I'm just a little scared to spend 400 bucks and than want to put the car back to stock because the "daily drive-ability" of transmission is not good.

Also, you guys still offer the 3yr/36K BAMA number 8 cylinder warranty right?

Could you please explain to me in some detail how you calibrate the auto transmission on the newer GT's? THANKS!

MustangChris810,

Just about everything you mentioned is taken care of with a Bama tune. Let me break it down more to clarify things, though!

1. Yes, with the Performance tune (or Street tune), you'll be able to retain the smooth shifts at light throttle. The car will shift just like stock, but with a little more throttle response. Cruising around will be just as easy as before!

2. Yes, we will be able to firm up the shifts during "play time" or WOT. Even on the Performance or Street tune that allows you to cruise around softly at low rpm. The shifts will firm up depending on your RPM and throttle position.

3. There is an "issue" with 2013 auto's not being able to go past 2k RPM during a brake stand, even with traction control turned off. It's not every 2013, but we have sourced the "issue" in the factory tune. You WILL be able to rip as large burnouts as you like with our Bama tune installed.

4. I've already hinted towards this, but throttle response will pick up drastically with a Bama tune. Each tune has a greater throttle response in this order- Performance tune, Street tune, and then the Race tune. We can also increase or decrease throttle response in any of these tunes, upon your request. My advice to you is try them all out and then make adjustments from there. Give the Bama Team a call @888.226.9764 once you've felt out each tune and they'll be happy to make adjustments to your liking!

5. We absolutely still have the Cylinder #8 warranty in affect for 2011-2013 5.0's! So no worries there!

6. There's several adjustments that can be made to the factory automatic transmission (6R80). Bama has the ability to make the trans behave just about any way you like. We can do firmer or softer shifts at any RPM or at any throttle level of your choice. Like I mentioned earlier, our standard process is to give softer shirts at light throttle/low cruising RPM's and firmer shifts at WOT & higher RPM's.


Let me know if I need to clarify anything or if you have any other questions. I'd be happy to answer them!

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Thanks Shane!

I appreciate the info about the Performance and Street tunes, but what about the race tune with an Auto for daily driving? I've ran a BAMA race tune before but it was with a manual trans. I'm sure it's going to be quite different with the auto. I ask about the race tune because when I put my foot down I'm looking for maximum performance from the engine as well as the transmission. Also, out of the hole I'd like the car to have much more. It just doesn't "romp" off the line like I want it to. I think it's mostly because of the "weak" factory trans calibration. But, I'd like the shifting patterns to stay about the same. Meaning, when I take my wife out to dinner and barley touch the gas and the motor rev's to 2K rpm to shift gears, I'd like the shifts to be nice and smooth. Then if I stomp the gas down I want to be thrown back in to my seat!!!

I know I know. I'm looking for the best of both worlds...... Hopefully it's not too much to ask!!!

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I don't want to highjack the thread, but I'm looking for the same thing as the OP. Plus, I would like to get rid of the downshift lag.

Do your tunes reduce this lag?

Would the hybrid tune be the best of both worlds for what the OP and myself are asking?

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What's the Hybrid tune? And yes, I would like to reduce the lag on down-shifts too....

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The hybrid tune is supposed to give the low end torque improvement of the street tune + the high end power of the race tune.

I don't know how the transmission is tuned with the hybrid though.

Shane will certainly chim in on this.

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Thanks Shane!

I appreciate the info about the Performance and Street tunes, but what about the race tune with an Auto for daily driving? I've ran a BAMA race tune before but it was with a manual trans. I'm sure it's going to be quite different with the auto. I ask about the race tune because when I put my foot down I'm looking for maximum performance from the engine as well as the transmission. Also, out of the hole I'd like the car to have much more. It just doesn't "romp" off the line like I want it to. I think it's mostly because of the "weak" factory trans calibration. But, I'd like the shifting patterns to stay about the same. Meaning, when I take my wife out to dinner and barley touch the gas and the motor rev's to 2K rpm to shift gears, I'd like the shifts to be nice and smooth. Then if I stomp the gas down I want to be thrown back in to my seat!!!

I know I know. I'm looking for the best of both worlds...... Hopefully it's not too much to ask!!!
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What's the Hybrid tune? And yes, I would like to reduce the lag on down-shifts too....
The Race tune will be just that, an extremely aggressive throttle response with smooth shifting at light throttle and low RPM's. I didn't recommend daily driving the Race tune because most people find the throttle to be overly sensitive and take away from a smooth ride if you're not careful with your foot. Also, the Race tune does not have economy in mind, strictly performance, so MPG's will decrease slightly over the Street or Performance tune.

The nice part about having the Street, Performance, and Race tune, is to have all the different variations at your command. You'll be able to find the tune that best suits you and run it whenever you please.

The Hybrid tune is an all out Performance tune (equivalent to Race), that takes the torquey Street tune parameters and mixes them with the Race tune's top end and shifting patterns. It's our most powerful tune that's exclusive to our forum customers. All you have to do is ask and the Bama Team will happily send you a Hybrid tune for your Mustang.

Also, keep in mind what I mentioned previously. All of your tunes, whether it be the Street, Performance, Race, or Hybrid, can be tweaked to your liking. You don't have to be dead set on what's given to you if you're not pleased. So, try out all the tunes that you first receive and go from there. Most likely, you'll be more than happy with one or all the different tunes that are sent to you!

Almost forgot to mentioned, our Bama Performance tunes will help with the downshift lag, too. That's another parameter that's very adjustable.

Hope this clears things up!

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I don't want to highjack the thread, but I'm looking for the same thing as the OP. Plus, I would like to get rid of the downshift lag.

Do your tunes reduce this lag?

Would the hybrid tune be the best of both worlds for what the OP and myself are asking?

Thanks for any info.
slpy4444,

Check out my comment above ^^^. I believe it answers your question completely. If there's anything I need to clarify, please let me know. I'll be happy too!

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Thanks Shane! Sounds like I'll have to start off with the Hybrid Tune. I'm all about performance and I'd rather have too much and have to have you guys tame it down for me than the other way around.

Got a couple more questions for you. What do you guys set the Rev limiter at on this Hybrid Tune with the auto trans? Meaning, with the trans in "drive", what RPM will the car shift at?

Also, you state the race tune may have slightly lower fuel economy. I'm curious why? All things being equal and driving normal, shouldn't the WB sensors on the car be keeping things at about the same A/F ratio regardless of the tune?

Again, thanks for the info. I've spent quite a bit of money with AM.com and you guys have always treated me well. So far, I love this auto trans much more than the MT82 I had. Now if I can just get some better "performance" from the trans it will be just about perfect.

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Thanks Shane! Sounds like I'll have to start off with the Hybrid Tune. I'm all about performance and I'd rather have too much and have to have you guys tame it down for me than the other way around.

Got a couple more questions for you. What do you guys set the Rev limiter at on this Hybrid Tune with the auto trans? Meaning, with the trans in "drive", what RPM will the car shift at?

Also, you state the race tune may have slightly lower fuel economy. I'm curious why? All things being equal and driving normal, shouldn't the WB sensors on the car be keeping things at about the same A/F ratio regardless of the tune?

Again, thanks for the info. I've spent quite a bit of money with AM.com and you guys have always treated me well. So far, I love this auto trans much more than the MT82 I had. Now if I can just get some better "performance" from the trans it will be just about perfect.

My pleasure, I'm glad I could answer your questions!

I know the Rev limiter is bumped to 7,300 RPM for the manual 5.0's, but that's mostly because it's still safe to rev that high and sometimes the manuals need some extra RPM to go through the quarter mile traps in 4th gear. Nothings worse than having to shift into 5th just for a millisecond to finish the race. Of course, you're not making more power at that RPM, so the auto's shift much lower. I will double check with Bama tomorrow morning, but I believe it's around 6,800 at WOT for the automatic 5.0's.

The Race and Hybrid tune do get worse gas mileage than the Street and Performance. They're designed to be an all out tune and disregard fuel economy. Lets just say we use quite a few different techniques when writing our Race/Hybrid tunes that allow us to safely produce quicker power than usual.

Thanks for supporting us in the past, it's a pleasure to have you as one of our loyal customers! I'll get back to you Thursday morning with more info on the auto 5.0 shift patterns, too.

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Thanks Shane!

Any word on those 2013 Automatic shift patterns?

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Shane

Just got off the phone with Lewis. I went ahead and ordered the Intune from American Muscle. Thanks for the help.

But, just for my curiosity, I would like to know more about the shift patterns for the Auto trans 2011-2013 GT's.

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MustangChris810,

Sorry about the delayed response!

I did get the info on shift patterns for the 4v 5.0 autos with a stock intake manifold.

The WOT shift patterns are based upon speed, but with the stock tire height, they will shift at about 6,900RPM. If you change to a Boss intake manifold, the shift points are bumped up to 7,200RPM, with a tune adjustment of course.

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