[panhead1]

Ok i thought Chevrolet owned the 302 til 1969 right or wrong? So if it's right how did Ford put 302s in the Mustang in 68'?

[duckbubbles]

302 refers to the displacement of the engine. Nobody owns that. Just a coincidence.

Frank

[panhead1]

i guess never heard that one lol. So you are saying Ford could make a hemi? Because what i know from history chevy owned the 302 and sold it to Ford in 1969 not 68'

[duckbubbles]

Ford HAS made a hemi- but they didn't call it that. The original OHC 427 had hemispherical combustion chambers. Chrysler registered the name hemi.
Chevy MADE a 302 for a while. Ford MADE a 302 for a while.
Chevy made 427's, Ford made 427's. AT THE SAME TIME. Nobody OWNED anything.
Ford probably owns the NAME Boss 302. Chevy probably owns the NAME Z28.I think that is as far as it goes.

Frank

[panhead1]

ok i will not argue lol. But i will do more research and get back to this

[Cobra6]

Whoever told you that Chevy owned the 302 and sold it to Ford evidently got some bad mushrooms somewhere along the way.

Do some research - the Chevy 302 CID engine was built from parts from a 283 CID and a 327 CID for the Trans AM races so the Camaro could run an engine under the allowed 305 CID limit.
Ford already had a 302 CID engine, but they created the Boss 302 for Trans AM competition.

[panhead1]

Originally Posted by Cobra6

Whoever told you that Chevy owned the 302 and sold it to Ford evidently got some bad mushrooms somewhere along the way.

Do some research - the Chevy 302 CID engine was built from parts from a 283 CID and a 327 CID for the Trans AM races so the Camaro could run an engine under the allowed 305 CID limit.
Ford already had a 302 CID engine, but they created the Boss 302 for Trans AM competition.

Ok bro 1 question to your reply though you said ford already had a 302 what year was this info about or from?

[Kyle F]

Originally Posted by Cobra6

Do some research - the Chevy 302 CID engine was built from parts from a 283 CID and a 327 CID for the Trans AM races so the Camaro could run an engine under the allowed 305 CID limit.
Ford already had a 302 CID engine, but they created the Boss 302 for Trans AM competition.

Absolutely correct. Nobody owns an Engine Size. They can own its design by patent on the particular design, but inside that design there can be a family of Engine Sizes. Like the New Triton Truck Engines (4.6 and 5.4).

If you want to know if someone knows anythign about car when you are talking to them, ask them what they think of the Chevy 302. If they say only Ford made 302s, you know anythign else coming out of their mouth is suspect.

However, you can Trademark a Name. Ford does own the name Mustang when referring to cars. Also, Boss 302, Boss 429, California Special (when referring to cars) are Owned by Ford. GM Owns names like Z28, SS, Trans Am (when referring to a car). Some names can beused in other industries, but Honda can't just decide to call Their car a Z28 with out licensing from GM, but they can make a 3.8L engine if they choose.

[panhead1]

I agree totally bro just a ? i thought was weird and would get feed back lol. Plus i have never seen a C.I. the same at the same time by to different Companies Liters yes but C.I. no at least i can't think of one lol. What about a Ford "T5" car? Know anything about that one?

[andrewmp6]

Ford has always out done chevy yes ford had a 302 in 68 chevy had the dz302 about the same time then they made a 327 and 350 ford made the 351. Biggest big block chevy was a 454 ford made a 460.The boss 429 had hemi heads on it.The funny thing is a chevy dz302 with the cross ram is worth more then any ford 302.T5 is two things a irs for the early mustang and also a 5 speed the germany mustangs had and 68 or 69 in the us had the t5 it was rare.The 5 speed in a fox body is a t5 too but different its a overdrive tranny early ones wasn't.

[panhead1]

Originally Posted by andrewmp6

Ford has always out done chevy yes ford had a 302 in 68 chevy had the dz302 about the same time then they made a 327 and 350 ford made the 351. Biggest big block chevy was a 454 ford made a 460.The boss 429 had hemi heads on it.The funny thing is a chevy dz302 with the cross ram is worth more then any ford 302.T5 is two things a irs for the early mustang and also a 5 speed the germany mustangs had and 68 or 69 in the us had the t5 it was rare.The 5 speed in a fox body is a t5 too but different its a overdrive tranny early ones wasn't.

I agree with most of this. Except for one thing from what i can figure out of what you said is the "T5" is a transmission in the Germany mustang right? If that is what you said that part is wrong. European"germany" Mustangs were called a Ford "T5" not Ford mustang. Due to a company in Germany already owning the name Mustang. The man who owned the company told Ford for 10,000 dollars he would sell them the rights to the name "MUSTANG" and ford refused the offer and called them "T5".

[andrewmp6]

I found this on another site Another change for 1966 was the Mustang's appearance in Germany. They were exported as the T-5 Mustang and simply known as the T-5 because the name "Mustang" was copyrighted. The "Mustang" emblems were removed from the vehicle and replaced by the T-5 emblem on the fenders to save the $10,000 copyright fee.Heres a good one for you find a 71 Shelby mustang there was 200 made in Mexico aka de Mexico i can't find anything more then that no pictures or specs.

[duckbubbles]

Originally Posted by panhead1

I agree totally bro just a ? i thought was weird and would get feed back lol. Plus i have never seen a C.I. the same at the same time by to different Companies Liters yes but C.I. no at least i can't think of one lol. What about a Ford "T5" car? Know anything about that one?

Ford's Boss 302 and Chevy's Z28 were both 302's made at the same time. Ford's 427 and Chevy's 427 were both made at the same time in the 60's.
Like you have been told here, you can register and own a NAME but a displacement is wide open. C.I.or Liters.

Frank

[panhead1]

Shelby had some 1969 GT350 and GT500 left at the end of the year, so twin black stripes were painted on the hood and the FBI was called in to supervise the fitting of 1970 VIN to allow Shelby to sell the remaining vehicles as 1970 models. So there was no 1971 lol. Plus i have never even heard this rumor.

[andrewmp6]

Not a rumor read this 1971/1972 Shelby Europa and http://samustang.com/shelby%20mexico.htm