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Old 05-18-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Default how do you tell if it is a 64 1/2 or a 65?

i have a friend who says he has a 64 1/2 how do you tell if it is a 64 1/2 or a 65?
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Hello. The vin will be 5FXX followed by either the letter U, F, D or K and then a sequential number lower than 250000, if it's a Dearborn car, or, if it's a San Jose car, the vin will be 5RXX followed by, U, F, D, or K and then a sequential number lower 125000. What will be in the place of the XX thing will be either 07 or 08. There weren't any 64 1/2 fastbacks. Hope that helps.
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I think that if it has a 260 ci V8, then it's also a 64 1/2.
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Hi again. The fifth digit of the vin of a 260 2bbl car will be F, and yes, a 260 car is a 64 1/2.
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Hopefully still on topic?
Veronica ---- Is it clear cut that if its a 289 then it is a '65? When did the switch over occur at the different plants?
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Again for Veronica
Following up on the motor switchover question. Are there not other distinquishing features between 64 1/2 and 65? ( example hood lip ) And did the switch over of all of these features happen simultaneously? Or did they happen over a period of days/weeks/months as parts supply ran out? That is, might a car have a 289 with a hood with a wide lip?
Is the motor switchover deemed to be the decisive determinant? Or is there an agreed upon date? by plant?
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Hi again. On the 289 thing, the 'D' code motor was a 289 4 bbl, but it was a 5-bolt, meaning that the bellhousing was held to the block with only five bolts, instead of six, like a 65 model car. Also, the K code motor became available in the Mustangs in June of 64, but again, these were 5-bolt motors. The K codes became 6-bolt motors around the end of July of 64 and started making their way into Mustangs in mid aug. The earliest K code that I've ever seen that still had it's original motor and was a 6-bolt had a scheduled production date of August 12th of 64, but the heads were both mid July, and the block itself was late July.

There is a long list of things about the 64 1/2 cars that is different from what was on the 65s, but the big things would be that the 64 1/2s had generators instead of alternators, 5-bolt V8s instead of 6-bolt and the Dearborn built cars will have a sequential number lower than 250000, and the San Jose cars will have a sequential number lower than 125000. There was a big blank spot in the sequential numbers used lower than that. There also weren't any Metuchan built 64 1/2s, nor were there any 64 1/2 fastbacks.

As far as the parts supply thing goes, there wasn't any clear cut-off. Most of the stuff was just used until they ran out. That 6-bolt, alternator charged K code that I mentioned had a 64 1/2 hood, a steering gear box tag with the code HCC-AX-1, which is a 64 1/2. The 65 K codes had HCC-AX. It had a bunch of stuff that is considered 64 1/2, but the sequential number was slightly higher than 125000 ( it was a San Jose car) and was a 6-bolt, alternator car, so it was a 65. Some of the 64 1/2 stuff was used all the way up into October of 64, which is well into the 65 model year. Ford wasn't in the business of making parts to throw away.
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generator is 64 1/2 and an alternator is 65+ is one way ive always been explained this.

Also you can decode the #s to see the build date. my vert was 6/65 for a build date.
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