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Old 12-06-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Default Discrepancy betweem Marti and door tag

I have a 1967 S-code GT convertible. Marti says the car is lime with a black top and lime interior. He does confirm that it is an S-code convertible. My car is red with a white top and black interior. This matches the door tag. It also has factory air and a tilt wheel that sure look original which are not on the car according to Marti. In going through the car, I can find no evidence of lime color, etc. Both Marti and Ford match my VIN to the lime car. Has anyone had this happen? It seems hard to imagine such a complete redo. Thank you.
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I had a similar experience, Marti representative told me that I was misunderstanding two codes (almost to the point of RUDE) on my car .....color and axle (verified by former owner....since his father was the FIRST OWNER verified color nor axle were ever tampered with or altered in any way).

Marti representative said apparently the codes were not clear. I insisted that the door tag was clear and that if they required a pencil etching and photograph so be it. So I just told him to run the report with what I provided and i would STILL pay for it no matter what the results. He ran it (without an apology of course). My information was correct to the other cross references as well as I had three Mustang shops VERIFY my info first.
Second item was my console....they provided nothing on the cars console which he would not assist with..just blew me off. I STILL question the console being "original equipment" so I took it out to keep the car "ORIGINAL".

Now then, I know a guy that has a 67 vert that was a bronze color and he had it changed to red .....and it was so good ..NOTHING indicated this car had ever been bronze before, so yes your car could have been repainted that well.
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Well, Marti pulls all his info from Ford's original records and since the VIN of the car matches the report he did it appears that it is the same vehicle and not a mix up somewhere.

Being a 40 year old car many things could have happened in it's past and like RPM said some cars have been completely restored and changed in the process where you can't tell what they were originally. Being a S code convert it is a highly desirable car which was a less than desirable color combo originally and possibly has had one or more restorations in it's past and likely a previous owner changed several things. They could have ordered a new door tag to reflect the new colors. They could have very well had a parts car with tilt wheel and air that they took off and put in this car or tracked those options down elsewhere.

Really anything is possible, look how many 6 cyl cars have had V8 conversions and some coupes that have been converted to fastbacks or converts.

Keep in mind that with some more "minor" options like the console that RPM mentions that a dealer could have added on the lot AFTER the car was built and Marti's info wouldn't show that. There have been instances of cars getting radio changes, wheels/hubcaps, air cond added*, rear gear ratio changes, floor mats, stripes, and vinyl roofs added that a customer wanted as they purchased a car that it lacked. Major things like engine, tranny or color changes wouldn't be done though.

*the addition of air was less with the cars after 66 as it was intergal to the dash, not a separate unit underneath like the 65-66 cars but still possible for those willing to pay.
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great points Jay. ....and if with that code car....regardless you still have a very cool car as long as the VIN matches. The door tag can be an easy fix if you choose to do so.
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I knew some guys that worked on a Dodge assembly line and one that worked assembling Corvettes and is now a Corvette collector.

There was no computer documentation on a 'build' back in the 60's and 70's. Unless a car was a 'special order' parts were installed as needed. The documentation was on a check sheet and very often the person filling it in 'cheated' so as to keep his production up.

That is, the line was to move regardless of part availability.

That has lead to many 'one offs' that are not documented, but remain so none the less.
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good post TOminator! As much as I enjoy my car being an odd animal I'm well aware that the 68 Brakes, 68 Thunderbird Axle and misc other little items that it was a left over from the line that got these things because they were out of 67 parts....in fact you guys will love this...my 67 calls for the "68" C stripe...which I WILL put on once she's repainted.....should get a lot of ole geezers telling me how WRONG it is....LOL, but it IS on the documents!!! btw, I'm almost an old geezer!!!
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How much do those Marti Reports cost? And, how detailed are they?
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How much do those Marti Reports cost? And, how detailed are they?
They are $17 for the Standard Report, a real one show below

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...0314_Marti.jpg

Then there's the $46 Deluxe Report, show below

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...nee_237/56.jpg

All the reports I have gotten are the Deluxe. They will tell you what dealer originally sold the car and on what day. They will also give you some statistics on how you car was equipped compared to the rest during that model year. There is an Elite Report too but not worth it......to me atleast, unless it's a high dollar Boss or something.

(The links to the 2 reports on my Photobucket account are real ones from Ebay auctions that I saved. I was at one time saving all the ones I could find for reference and curiousity. Some of them do have parts of the VIN blocked out by the seller.)
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My car is Black, originally a Silver Frost. Car was completely disassembled for re-paint in Black. No one would ver know it was Silver unless you looked at Marti Report and build sheet.

Door tags can be reproduced with code changes. My car's door tag shows Black as the color.

Bottom line, same could have been done for the OP's car.

Personally I would trust the Marti Report.
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Yeah being a older car only god knows what has been done to it over the years.Some do strip a car and paint it right some just do a fast spray over.Top wears out maybe they wanted a different color or couldn't find the right color to replace it.Same way with the interior the after market for repop parts didn't get big tell a few years ago.Yeah id trust the marti report.
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LOL. On the Shelby deluxe Marti Report it says that it was 1 of 432 cars with this paint/trim combination. I wonder what it would say about my paint/trim combination if they could make one for 1966. My paint/trim is Wimbledon White with red trim.
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Hello. You have a green/green car with a black top.

As far as white/red goes, they built a lot more of those than you might imagine. They built a bunch of white ones, most of which had black standard interiors, but it isn't at all strange to see a white car with blue/white pony or red standard.
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As far as white/red goes, they built a lot more of those than you might imagine. They built a bunch of white ones, most of which had black standard interiors, but it isn't at all strange to see a white car with blue/white pony or red standard.
I've seen white cars with green (ivy gold), palamino (tan) and aqua interior too.

White is basically a neutral color so any would go, even though back then you could order whatever color combos you wanted.
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Hi again. Yup, those were the days, as far as options went. You just tell them what you want, and they build it for you, with very few exceptions. On the 65/66 cars, they wouldn't put belt-driven accessories on a K code, and you could get power brakes, or you could get disc brakes, but you couldn't get power disc brakes, etc... As far as color combos go, there were nearly a hundred different interior schemes and about 30 different paint colors, so that left you with some serious choosing capabilities.
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How much do those Marti Reports cost? And, how detailed are they?
I think I paid ,45.00 for a normal report and 200 or 250 for a leather bound edition
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