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Old 06-06-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Default 1966 Mustang Crossmember problems

Hey everybody, I am still in the process of re-ringing my engine, but I have hit a big problem. I need to get the oil pan off, but I am having trouble. The large tubular crossmember that goes from frame rail to frame rail under the oil pan is being difficult. I got the bolt off on the drivers side, but the passenger side is being a pain. While trying to take off the bolt on the passenger side, I broke 2 extensions and my socket wrench. We also tried lubing it, using my friends impact wrench, a breaker bar, and a cheater bar (breaker bar with another tube put on to make it easier to break the bolt free). So, I have to ask, does anybody have any good tricks for getting jammed bolts free? I know it isn't rusted in, as the local Ford dealer had it off 2 years ago when we had the drivetrain rebuilt. Thanks everyone.
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Heat it to somewhere over 200F just in case they used red loctite on it during assembly.
Don't try to do this with a propane torch - there isn't enough heat in that puny flame. You will need an acetylene torch to get it hot enough.
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Hello. Are you sure that the Ford guys removed the crossmember? You don't have to do that to remove the engine.
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That's just if Veronica, we aren't removing the engine. (Yes, I know I should, but I don't have near the money required to take it to a shop, and I don't have the money to rent an engine hoist.) And I know they had it off because I have a picture of the my engine up on a lift with the oil pan off. You can see the crank, and you can see that that the steering linkage, crossmember, and sway bar are all removed from the car.
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Hi again. I would try that torch thing that PaulS mentioned. Either they used loctite, or they cross-threaded it and ran it on in there with an impact wrench. If they did the Loctite thing, the torch will free that up. If they cross-threaded it, the torch won't hurt anything because you're already pretty much up that certain stenchy creek without a paddle. One thing that you seem to be unaware of, though, is that you can't just replace the rings like you are trying to. You also have to hone the cylinders. As the rings wear the cylinders from mileage, they leave a step at the top and bottom of there travel. The rings themselves also wear a little bit. When you put the new rings in and start the motor, the new rings are going to hit a step in the cylinder at the top and the bottom of their travel, and that is probably going break some stuff in there. You can hone the block with it still in the car, but it is sooooo much easier to go ahead and snatch the motor out of the car first and have the block out where you can actually work on it, take some accurate measurements, work it a little more, etc... and then be able to clean all of the abrasive crud that you just created out of there. This also calls for having some tools that a lot of folks don't really have, like a dial bore gauge, engine stand, eyc.. If you have any friends that are machinists, then they might have that stuff, but, if not, you'll be needing to do some shopping. Engine stands aren't very expensive, but, a decent dial bore gauge set isn't cheap.
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Paul's suggestion of heat is good but also sometimes takes the temper out of the bolt allowing it to twist off. Another idea to loosen bolts is to hammer the head of the bolt a couple of times. This sometimes crumbles what is in the threads and allows it to be removed. With this method, squirt the bolt with P-B Blaster. Absolutely the best bolt remover ever inspite of their label which makes it look like a hokey come on. You could also use the bar itself to loosen the bolt. Try to move it in either direction to loosen will work. Best of luck
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