.........If you are getting a new VIN you can call it whatever you want unless there is proof to the contrary. In other words, I could apply for a new VIN and register mine as a 71 or a 73. Regardless of the fender date stamp. All you tell them is that it has been replaced, and that none of the other stamps match. No proof. >>>>>>>>not true in CANADA<<<<<<<<<<<
ACTUALLY>>>>>>>>>>LOTSA PROOF NEEDED
There are a few hoops that you have to go through to get a new VIN.......
proof of ownership.....bill of sale.....affidafiat(all legal like),vehicle appraisal, and a police report #
then the ONE and ONLY place that you can LEGALLY get them (I believe it is in Ottawa)comes out to your car,inspects it and then THEY put a new vin on your car,for a small fee of $500
If you are getting a new VIN you can call it whatever you want unless there is proof to the contrary. In other words, I could apply for a new VIN and register mine as a 71 or a 73. Regardless of the fender date stamp. All you tell them is that it has been replaced, and that none of the other stamps match. No proof.
Kebean, sorry I don't buy that. So if what you say was true, I could just steal your '72, take the VIN's off, and go register it as a '71, if I want. Nah...
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Every car has a hidden vin or more on yours the vin is on the dash the door tag and under both front fenders.The time it would take to change or remove them all most thefts don't have.Most are to lazy to unbolt the passenger side fender to see the true vin.To a collector a car with a state giving vin is worthless most want one with a ford vin.
Yes you could. If you stole my car and changed the dash and both front fenders out you would have a car with two VINs and neither of them match. The '71 model year looks similar enough to the '72 only a real stickler would notice the minor differences and either way, parts interchange real easy between these years, you couldn't prove one way or another what it was. My personal car is registered based on the VIN on the dash, which matches the VIN on the fenders. A friend of mine in High School was restoring a 66 coupe that was registered as a 65 because only the dash VIN could still be read, and the entire dash assembly was out of a 65.
If the VIN on the door-dash-fenders do not match they will run all three. If none come back as reported stolen you get inspected by the DMV and you tell them what you think it is/was. Then they give you the new VIN which they place in more then one area (Only two i think). The caveat here is that it will be a salvage title.
Think about it. If the car was in a bad front end wreck, there go the fenders and the door and possibly the dash. So you now have no VIN markings or conflicting VINs unless there is one somewhere on the unibody and I'm not sure about that. And you are right, no one is going to respect a new VIN on an older car. But there isn't much value in a 71-73 coupe anyway, so what's the point, even numbers matching, the value is about the same.
Ultimately I'm pretty sure this guy didn't take off his fenders. And if he didn't the door tag and dash don't match, so no proof there. The DMV where he could have just been lazy, but i dunno, it is unlike any DMV here (CA). Maybe they did take off his fenders and the VIN is off a '72, i doubt it though.
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On the second page of the thread he says he pulled the fenders and didn't find any vins. That means that:
1) He either didn't know where to look,
2) Both inner fenders have been replaced or
3) The numbers have been ground down/filled in.
I've seen some repaint jobs that made the inner fender vins all but invisible so that could be the case here but I'm betting he's looking in the wrong spot.
Yes you could. If you stole my car and changed the dash and both front fenders out you would have a car with two VINs and neither of them match. The '71 model year looks similar enough to the '72 only a real stickler would notice the minor differences and either way, parts interchange real easy between these years, you couldn't prove one way or another what it was. My personal car is registered based on the VIN on the dash, which matches the VIN on the fenders. A friend of mine in High School was restoring a 66 coupe that was registered as a 65 because only the dash VIN could still be read, and the entire dash assembly was out of a 65.
If the VIN on the door-dash-fenders do not match they will run all three. If none come back as reported stolen you get inspected by the DMV and you tell them what you think it is/was. Then they give you the new VIN which they place in more then one area (Only two i think). The caveat here is that it will be a salvage title.
Think about it. If the car was in a bad front end wreck, there go the fenders and the door and possibly the dash. So you now have no VIN markings or conflicting VINs unless there is one somewhere on the unibody and I'm not sure about that. And you are right, no one is going to respect a new VIN on an older car. But there isn't much value in a 71-73 coupe anyway, so what's the point, even numbers matching, the value is about the same.
Ultimately I'm pretty sure this guy didn't take off his fenders. And if he didn't the door tag and dash don't match, so no proof there. The DMV where he could have just been lazy, but i dunno, it is unlike any DMV here (CA). Maybe they did take off his fenders and the VIN is off a '72, i doubt it though.
Ummmm here in the Peoples republic of California you can't just walk into a DMV with no VIN and register a car. My grandfather had a 1972 Ford F250 that back in the day was in an accident, the areas where the VINs were had to be replaced. The insurance company wanted to rebuild it. They had to have the CHP come down and verify the VIN and License and show the documentation including the removed parts with the old VIN. Then the DMV issued a new VIN that was mounted in the door jam. If you have lost the title you have to have the VIN verified by a California Highway Patrol (CHP) officer or a DMV official.
If you could just walk in and register any car without proof of what the car is every Kit Car would be on the road titled as an original car not a specialty construction (200 per year are allowed to be registered as the year and model the car closest resembles). Also if you are rebuilding a salvaged vehicle in California or applying for a new VIN you have to show all the receipts from where the parts came from, same thing with kit cars, as they don’t want people using chop shop parts to put damaged or to hide theft, so the CHP has to inspect all of that.
Your “friends” car does not have a dash VIN and if the car was hit so hard that everything to the cowl would need to replaced he should have found a better project car.
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Yes you could. If you stole my car and changed the dash and both front fenders out you would have a car with two VINs and neither of them match.
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Originally Posted by Kebean
The '71 model year looks similar enough to the '72 only a real stickler would notice the minor differences and either way, parts interchange real easy between these years, you couldn't prove one way or another what it was. My personal car is registered based on the VIN on the dash, which matches the VIN on the fenders.
........A friend of mine in High School was restoring a 66 coupe that was registered as a 65 because only the dash VIN could still be read, and the entire dash assembly was out of a 65.....
Fenders do not have VIN's on them. Manufacturers stamped VIN's only on parts that were welded or rivoted on to the main structure of the car. Fenders are bolted on.
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Um....Kebean. There is no dash vin on a 65 or 66. That didn't start until 67. I don't know if I completely buy your story.
'65-'67 cars did not have dash mounted VIN tags. Dash VIN tags were first mandated by the Gov't for the 1968 model year. In '68, they were mounted on the passenger side of the dash and visible through the windshield. In '69, they were moved to the drivers side.
Kebean, I have a nephew about your age and he has gotten a reputation in our family for telling stories without checking the facts, and claiming they're true. If you want people to believe you, check the facts.
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First off ...to the user who is trying to say that you can registar ANY car without ownership....Not if it's reported stolen!
Second....I DID pull the fenders off and saw NO #'s
(perhaps I looked in the wrong spot, any TIPS?)
third.....I CANNOT belive the difference in price for most parts
in US ALOT cheaper for most things!!!!!
What is the best store to buy your parts from in michigan? NPD?
Thank you for ALL your help so far. This site is a valuable tool!
Sure wish I could figure out the part that goes across the back of the engine and acts as some kind of exhaust vent cross tube.
The2 holes (on eithor side of engine) are threaded so I,m certain something goes there
Your inner fenders may have been replaced which would explain why you are unable to find VIN's under the fenders. Did you see any evidence of grinding or welding on the top of the inner fenders?
Sorry, can't help with local pick up of Mustang parts in Michigan. I buy most of my parts from Virginia Classic Mustang and have them shipped to me in Massachusetts.
I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding the two bolt holes at the back of your engine. I'm not that familiar with the '71-'73 cars. Can you post some photos showing what you are talking about? If you can, I'm sure someone in this forum can help.
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third.....I CANNOT belive the difference in price for most parts
in US ALOT cheaper for most things!!!!!
What is the best store to buy your parts from in michigan? NPD?
Thank you for ALL your help so far. This site is a valuable tool!
Sure wish I could figure out the part that goes across the back of the engine and acts as some kind of exhaust vent cross tube.
The2 holes (on eithor side of engine) are threaded so I,m certain something goes there
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The car didn't fall out of heaven did it? The previous owner had no paperwork, nothing on it? How did you know it was legit?
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1996 Cobra with Kenne Bell 2.1 Supercharger and every other conceivable part you can bolt on it...650hp upgrade in the works
2003 Infiniti M45 V8 340 hp...a methadone treatment for reformed Mustang drivers
Replaced the gas tank,
changed some rubber gas lines to metal,
new rad and hoses/fluid
New shoes for the front & back
I cant get the rear trim side panel to sit flat and line up at the back window handle holes.AARRRG!:
Going to try and drop a Cougar dash into it. It was free and looks better than mine!...and the beat goes on...will keep you informed
197? mustang is this? 
>>>>>>>>not true in CANADA<<<<<<<<<<<
Ummmm here in the Peoples republic of California you can't just walk into a DMV with no VIN and register a car. My grandfather had a 1972 Ford F250 that back in the day was in an accident, the areas where the VINs were had to be replaced. The insurance company wanted to rebuild it. They had to have the CHP come down and verify the VIN and License and show the documentation including the removed parts with the old VIN. Then the DMV issued a new VIN that was mounted in the door jam. If you have lost the title you have to have the VIN verified by a California Highway Patrol (CHP) officer or a DMV official. 
