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Old 10-08-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Default Mustang Production date....

....as stated on the Warranty Identification Tag on the left door.

I am trying to assemble all the correct data to have a missing tag made for my '65 convertable. Does anyone know how/where I can find the production date of the vehicle?

It would be a number like 15J, ie, 15= the day of the month and the J=the month of September.

I have owned this car since 1980 and the door tag was missing. Only one rivet remains in the door. Somewhere in the back of my mind I thought this car was produced near the beginning of the official 1965 model year. However, I do not remember how I came to think/believe/understand that information.
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If you post the second (plant code) and last six (sequential number) digits of the VIN some of us can get you a very close date by comparing it to other cars in books and lists a few of us keep track of.
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If you post the second (plant code) and last six (sequential number) digits of the VIN some of us can get you a very close date by comparing it to other cars in books and lists a few of us keep track of.
That would be great, thanks!

The plant code is R for San Jose. The last six digits are 220654.
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That would be great, thanks!

The plant code is R for San Jose. The last six digits are 220654.

OK, I have VINs 5R08C220530 with a "11S" date and 5R07A220947 with a "12S" date. That would be May though.
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OK, I have VINs 5R08C220530 with a "11S" date and 5R07A220947 with a "12S" date. That would be May though.
Jay, there is no 'S' month. Month codes go from A to M, ie, Jan thru Dec??

That is according to this info:

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Jay, there is no 'S' month. Month codes go from A to M, ie, Jan thru Dec??

That is according to this info:

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Normally yes, but since the 65 model year was an extended run, there really isn't a "64.5" Mustang as far as Ford was concerned, the 65 production ran longer and some months were repeated.

The online decoders do help but they all have errors from the ones I have seen. Some don't do the extra months and they also over look the low compression engines that were available back then for export cars.
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Normally yes, but since the 65 model year was an extended run, there really isn't a "64.5" Mustang as far as Ford was concerned, the 65 production ran longer and some months were repeated.

The online decoders do help but they all have errors from the ones I have seen. Some don't do the extra months and they also over look the low compression engines that were available back then for export cars.
Don't mean to be obtuse, but this still does not explain your 'S' month code? When A thru M are the first 12 letters in the alphabet, each letter representing the successive months.

Our convertibles are only 293 numbers apart.?
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Boomyal, Jay has developed a database of VIN's that came from cars with Original Data Plates. Since the '65 model year was introduced in the spring of '64, lettering starts then. 65's were built in May of '64 and also May of '65. Your car most likely would have a scheduled build date of May 11, 1965 - hense the 11S code. May 11, 1964 would be 11E. Ford did not use "I" in date codes either, so Sept would be a J code date.

This decoder accepts the 11S date code.

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Boomyal, Jay has developed a database of VIN's that came from cars with Original Data Plates. Since the '65 model year was introduced in the spring of '64, lettering starts then. 65's were built in May of '64 and also May of '65. Your car most likely would have a scheduled build date of May 11, 1965 - hense the 11S code. May 11, 1964 would be 11E. Ford did not use "I" in date codes either, so Sept would be a J code date.

This decoder accepts the 11S date code.

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Ok, I kinda get it, but let me clear this for sure. There really is no "64 1/2" Mustang. They are all '65's and the started production in Mayish of 1964. They then continued thru the alphabet (sequentially) as early 1964 passed into the 1965 calender year.

I assume then, let's just say that they produced the last '65 Mustangs in August of 65. Those cars would have been xxV production date cars, right? Or if the last 65's were produced in July 1965 they would have been xxU's?

Then if the first '66 models were produced in Sept of 1965, they would have reverted to the normal low alpha letters and branded them XXJ's???

Sound right?
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Technically, there are no '64 1/2 Mustangs, they are just early '65 models. The '65 was introduced on April 17th, '64, so regular production probably started in March '64. The lettering of date codes is unique to '65, because the model year lasted so long.

'66 was a normal production year, so the normal lettering was used.

Yes, Sept '66 would be XXJ.
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Ok, thanks, got all that.

I went to the Marti site, to order a tag. It would not let me progress because I did not enter a DSO number? I thought I read somewhere that not all cars had one, or maybe I need to use an educated guess on this one as well?
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Hello. Just to clarify this a little bit, Mustang production began in march of 64. That would be C on the door tag. April would be D and on around to september, which would be the J, because they didn't use the letter I , october is K, november is L and december is M. January of 65 is A, february of 65 B. For March of 65 they can't use C, because that's what they used for march of 64. March of 65 is Q, april of 65 is R, may is S, june is T, july U and august is V.

They were building 1965 Mustangs for 18 months, and needed a way to distinquish between a 1965 Mustang built in april of 64 and a 1965 Mustang built in april of 65.
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Hello. Just to clarify this a little bit, Mustang production began in march of 64. That would be C on the door tag. April would be D and on around to september, which would be the J, because they didn't use the letter I , october is K, november is L and december is M. January of 65 is A, february of 65 B. For March of 65 they can't use C, because that's what they used for march of 64. March of 65 is Q, april of 65 is R, may is S, june is T, july U and august is V.

They were building 1965 Mustangs for 18 months, and needed a way to distinquish between a 1965 Mustang built in april of 64 and a 1965 Mustang built in april of 65.
Thanks Veronica but what should I do for a DSO number? The Marti site will not accept a tag order without one.
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Regarding the DSO, unless you have original sales paperwork, original registration or can locate the build sheet, I believe you are out of luck.

Maybe a title search company can find out where the car came from, by finding previous registrations using the VIN.
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Regarding the DSO, unless you have original sales paperwork, original registration or can locate the build sheet, I believe you are out of luck.
Hi again. That is correct. This little piece of information is lost forever without some sort of original documentation. The dso for Seattle is 74. I guess that would be as good a guess as any. If the car is now registered in Washington, and you bought it from a guy also in Washington, you can do a title search with your local dmv and see how long the car has been registered in that state, and, if it moved there from somewhere else, they should have the where and when of that.
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