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Default The truth about the ´68 Mustang windshield VIN tag..???

Hello folks, please may anybody advice me, what´s the truth about the winshield VIN aluminium plate at the 1968 Mustangs? Must it be there or not? I am asking, because I have the ´68 Mustang J-code GT fastback 2+2 (VIN#8T02J10xxxx) without the windshield VIN tag and without any sign it was mounted there at the past.
The door VIN tag shown this car was made 21.august 1967, at the Metuchen, NJ plant. All the rest VIN tags are at theyr places and also match with the title - door VIN plate, passenger side buck plate at the engine space, the viewable VIN marked at the driver´s side inner apron fender.
For example - my ´68 Mustang Coupe GT/CS T-code are missing this windshield VIN tag too...hm.
If somebody know some useful link, some key, some rule about the truth, I will be thankful.
Many thanks. Peter from Slovakia, Europe.
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i blieve it was a federal requirement for the 1968 model year and its the only recongnized vin location.
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By US Federal law, starting in 1968 every new car registered in the US has been required to have a VIN tag mounted so that it is visible from outside the car so anyone can check to see if its a stolen car. Its sometimes on the steering column, at the base of the windshield, on the A-pillar, but in any of those places the number must be readable from outside the car.
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By US Federal law, starting in 1968 every new car registered in the US has been required to have a VIN tag mounted so that it is visible from outside the car so anyone can check to see if its a stolen car. Its sometimes on the steering column, at the base of the windshield, on the A-pillar, but in any of those places the number must be readable from outside the car.
Hi Ivy66GT, thanks.. I understand. And what about the ´68 Mustang made 21.august 1967 ??...what´s Your guess?
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Depends if it was sold in the usa or was straight exported.If it was exported from the start i doubt it had the tag then.But i have seen cars they replaced the dash pad on years ago and never bothered to put the vin tag back on it.
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Just got off the phone with the Motor Vehicle Inspection Division in St. Louis, Missouri (US) and spoke with a man who was more than willing to give his interpretaion for your questions. I found your thread intresting and could not help trying to find an answer. The following sums up our discusion...

FACT - He said that the book for official Public VIN Tag locations indicated that 1968 Fords should have the Tag on the dash near the windshield.

ASSUMPTION - He thinks that the book means for ALL 1968 model cars, not cars manufactured in 1968.

CONCLUSION - Your car should have the tag even though it was made in 67 - it is still a 68 model.

POSSIBLE EXCEPTION - Your car may have been produced specifically for export and since the federal law was a US law - it may not have been required to be there. I'd bet that Ford would put the tag there regardless. Let's face it, it's harder to keep one from going on a car that is on a mass prodution line than just putting one on ALL of them. They already put them on the door and apron, why not finish the job.

The officer did say that the VIN tag could be replaced, but I did not get into the details because you (the owner) and the car are not in the US and that may complicate things for you.

I'd start with your local branch of goverment pertaining to Motor Vehicles, there may be a way to replace the tag through your local office, even if it never had one. Is there evidence that it was there? That's as close as I can get to the truth (in 30 minutes).

Most, if not all, of this has been mentioned by other members, either here or on you other thread with the same question...

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...-location.html

I have merely confirmed it with a phone call and you still don't have "The Truth".

Sorry, I hope your concerns are more curiosity than neccessity.
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The original VIN requirement was in FMVSS #115 but the various parts of FMVSS took effect on different dates, usually January 1st, but some in 1967, others in 1968, etc. Since #115 has since been moved to a different numbering system, if you look up the current FMVSS all it says for #115 is "Revoked".

The visible VIN requirement, as with others like seat belts and head rests, was likely effective on January 1st and may not have actually been required on the same model year cars built before then. But I think Ford put the visible VIN on all MY 1968 cars for the US market. I remember my wife's new '68 had one of the first windshield VINs as well as shoulder harness but since we sold the car 35 years ago I don't even remember which side of of the windshield the VIN was on. If not originally defined, the location for the VIN was to be visible through the left side glazing, i.e. windshield or I suppose the left side front window would also work(?).

I do believe there was an exception for a car to be exported from the US. In later years the VIN was redefined as an international requirement such that any car from anywhere in the world made today has to have a 17 character VIN visible from the outside.
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Just got off the phone with the Motor Vehicle Inspection Division in St. Louis, Missouri (US) and spoke with a man who was more than willing to give his interpretaion for your questions. I found your thread intresting and could not help trying to find an answer. The following sums up our discusion...

FACT - He said that the book for official Public VIN Tag locations indicated that 1968 Fords should have the Tag on the dash near the windshield.

ASSUMPTION - He thinks that the book means for ALL 1968 model cars, not cars manufactured in 1968.

CONCLUSION - Your car should have the tag even though it was made in 67 - it is still a 68 model.

POSSIBLE EXCEPTION - Your car may have been produced specifically for export and since the federal law was a US law - it may not have been required to be there. I'd bet that Ford would put the tag there regardless. Let's face it, it's harder to keep one from going on a car that is on a mass prodution line than just putting one on ALL of them. They already put them on the door and apron, why not finish the job.

The officer did say that the VIN tag could be replaced, but I did not get into the details because you (the owner) and the car are not in the US and that may complicate things for you.

I'd start with your local branch of goverment pertaining to Motor Vehicles, there may be a way to replace the tag through your local office, even if it never had one. Is there evidence that it was there? That's as close as I can get to the truth (in 30 minutes).

Most, if not all, of this has been mentioned by other members, either here or on you other thread with the same question...

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...-location.html

I have merely confirmed it with a phone call and you still don't have "The Truth".

Sorry, I hope your concerns are more curiosity than neccessity.
Hi Sick4627,
many thanks for so large reply and Your care. Thanks, I understand all. What I don´t mention before, I have bought this vehicle one year ago from the seller from Florida. They want to clone it to the Eleanor project, but they change theyr mind and put it for sale. I save it and my only one plan is - restore this beauty to it´s original condition from the 1968, as it come from Metuchen plant.
What is curious, it really seems there wasn´t any windshield tag at the history. The original Meadowlark yellow colour is still at the place and it seems nothing metal was changed for the ages. Tomorrow I will shot some detail photos of the area and show it here.
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This took some looking but I finally found details of what was going on in online copies of Time magazine. The VIN requirement was not in the first 23 proposed rules in December 1966.

Autos: 23 Rules - TIME

Even some of those 23 rules were dropped and the starting date was pushed back from the start of Model Year 1968 to 1/1/1968 after Henry Ford, among others, had called them:

"unreasonable, arbitrary and technically not feasible, and might even force some plants to close down"

Autos: Truce and Progress - TIME

So it would appear that the VIN requirement was not an actual law until 1/1/1969 as I had seen stated elsewhere. I didn't trust the source of the 1969 date but it seems to have been accurate since the VIN requirement was not in the 1968 rules.

Since Ford was 'voluntarily' using the visible VINs in 1968, it is likely that influenced what a DMV or police department would expect to see today. GM was also voluntarily putting VINs on their 1968 cars in anticipation of the requirements to come. But from a federal law standpoint, it would seem that a visible VIN for a '68 was not required. However, if you put the VIN anywhere else on a '68 USA Ford then that would not be an original location. You need to check your location authorities and see what they expect and/or will allow.

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Nice work Ivy!
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If you want to get a replacement VIN tag for your car you can try here, Tags Backeast, Trim Tags Backeast, Data Plates, A.G.Backeast. We make tags for AMC, Buick, Cadillac, Camaro, Chevelle, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Corvette, Dodge, DeSoto, Edsel, Ford, Frazer, La Salle, Henry J, Kaiser, Lincoln, Mercury, Mustang, Oldsmobile with proof of ownership.

The VIN tag on 68's was always on the passenger side, there is a slit in the dash pad for it to poke through there. In 69 they moved to the driver's side where they still are today.

(It is also very common for the tag to be hidden on 68's when the dash pad is replaced since people forget to slide it through the dash slit before fully installing the pad. The tag becomes trapped under the dash pad and hidden.

Even worse are the 71-73 Mustangs/Cougars and also Mopar's from that era. The VIN tags are attached to the dash pad itself. If you remove the dash pad for any dash work you've effectivly removed the VIN from the car.)
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The VIN tag on 68's was always on the passenger side, there is a slit in the dash pad for it to poke through there. In 69 they moved to the driver's side where they still are today.
I thought that was true but was not certain. That's another reason to believe the visible VINs were not truly required in '68. Once the requirement did come into effect, it was required that the VIN be on the LEFT, i.e. driver's side of the car for most of us.
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I thought that was true but was not certain. That's another reason to believe the visible VINs were not truly required in '68. Once the requirement did come into effect, it was required that the VIN be on the LEFT, i.e. driver's side of the car for most of us.
Hello Ivy66GT,
hello for Jay H 237 and Sick467 too...
so guys, I have controled the passenger dash side today and it seems there was not the windshild VIN tag. I have removed the dash pad (this is project car and will install the new one) and make some pictures. After several returns I have found two small holes (at the picture - at each end of the blue lighter), they may rest after the rivets but I guess they are too small for the rivets... What´s Your opinion? (attached picture of my ´68 Coupe GT/CS windshield VIN tag - for equation of the location).
Rivets there are much more bigger than the holes on the GT dash.

I have also some other questions... My ´68 fastback GT have all relevant ´68 GT equipments as is:
1) heavy duty suspension
2) stiffer front and rear springs
3) larger front and rear shock absorbers
4) larger diameter front stabilizer
5) dual chrome exhausts
6) GT pop-open gas cap
7) fender badges
8) fog lights with the interior underdash swithcher
9) AM/FM radio
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- The GT "C" side stripes, can´t be verified, not visible at present time, and I dont want to scratch the external colour.

Front drum brakes are the mystery. I have read the ´68 with GT options come with front disc brakes. Is this 100% fact?
I have seen few GT and GT/CS during my US trips with the front drum brakes... is it original or some home made conversion?

Please, it is truth the predication: "All GT Mustangs come with the 9 inch rear end"...??

Thanks for any information.
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I payed the 15 bucks for a Marti report which might help clear the up some questions on your 68. On my 68, the Marti and VIN # ( C code ) would be the only way to know mine is a GT clone
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