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I'm having some paint issues. My 69 Mach went through a 2 year frame off. I had it painted with House of Kolors Candy Apple Red with Cedar Red Shimrin base coat. The paint job is almost 2 years old. The problem started under the gas cap with the paint bubbling. I was told it was because the gas was getting between the base coats and the kandy coats. Had that problem fixed. Now I have been rearended and the shop tells me that when they removed the reflective stripe and wiped off the residue with lacquer thinner the paint wrinkled. This shop tells me that House of Kolors paint is crap, and I should go to PPG. Any comments would be appreciated!
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almost any paint will wrinkle if wiped with enough thinner, bad idea. 3M makes several products to remove the glue without hurting the paint. P.P.G. is probably the best on the market. that being said, it will be almost impossible to match anyway.
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Your painter was right. House of color is crap. PPG, dupont, it's all good though sikkens is pretty elite and among the best you can get. It's also some of the most expensive. Though lacquer thinner shouldn't have causes the paint to wrinkle like it did. It would take a lot and a lot of exposure. If the paint wrinkled like that it sounds like it did not cure right on the first place and this is usually caused by something incompatible in the prep work.

Did you use any phosphoric acid on the metal?
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I have never seen a real can of House of Kolor. I only know they sell it cheap compared to DuPont.

The cured clear in the DuPont Chroma Premier BC/CC system is unaffected by gasoline and/or lacquer thinner. Out of curiosity I have tested samples (first off the car but later on the car also) and lacquer thinner does absolutely nothing after hours of direct contact exposure. The BC, however, is essentially a lacquer itself and dissolves nearly instantly on contact with lacquer thinner. No one selling the stuff wants to tell you the BC is a lacquer since 'lacquer' is now an environmentally dirty word.
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In a further discussion with the repair shop they told me there is a very minimal amout of clear coat on the car. That would explain why a small amount of gasoline and a very small amount of lacquer thinner would cause problems. Since I paid the original shop for 4 coats of each stage in a 3 stage paint job I think my next step is to call a lawyer(and repaint the car).
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In a further discussion with the repair shop they told me there is a very minimal amout of clear coat on the car. That would explain why a small amount of gasoline and a very small amount of lacquer thinner would cause problems. Since I paid the original shop for 4 coats of each stage in a 3 stage paint job I think my next step is to call a lawyer(and repaint the car).
Wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to call the shop first?
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Already have. Got a "Not my problem" response, after shelling out 50k for a 2 year full blown restoration.
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In a further discussion with the repair shop they told me there is a very minimal amout of clear coat on the car. That would explain why a small amount of gasoline and a very small amount of lacquer thinner would cause problems. Since I paid the original shop for 4 coats of each stage in a 3 stage paint job I think my next step is to call a lawyer(and repaint the car).
I have been painting since 1976 and have used all the above mentioned paint labels excluding Sikkens, which I understand is a quality brand. Right now, my 66 Mustang is painted with PPG Viper red with 5 coats of House of Kolor Candy red and HOK Burgandy Candy over that for flames. I laid down 6 coats of HOK Clear Coat. This car was painted in 2004 and I have never had any problems with the paint. Who ever is saying HOK is crap apparently doesn't paint or doesn't know the procedures to lay down Candy paint and clear coat. This being said, PPG is excellant paint, but if you don't lay down enough clear on any Basecoat/Clearcoat paint job, you are going to have the exact same problems. The Clearcoat with an activator is the only protection the basecoat and all the work performed underneath has. Anyway, good luck in your attempt to have it fixed. Paint can be a pain in the ass, especially when mixing brands.
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Bubbamace said it. I've used them all and had problems with only poor gas cap sealing. Once cured, the clearcoat is pretty durable. I would NEVER wipe any paint job with laquer thinner. It's so hot it'll screw up almost anything. They really goofed on that one.
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almost any paint will wrinkle if wiped with enough thinner, bad idea. 3M makes several products to remove the glue without hurting the paint. P.P.G. is probably the best on the market. that being said, it will be almost impossible to match anyway.
cindys_sn95 and rodbender hit it right on the head. Almost any paint will react to Lacquer thinner. Its strong stuff. Great for getting over spray off chrome, but why would anyone use that on paint when there are other products that will take adhesive off without damaging the paint? It will be almost impossible to match candy paint. There are a few guys out there that can do it, but they are far and few. In the light, it may not be perfect. It is a bummer someone shells out big bucks and gets treated this way.
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Meatcutter: First: I'm wondering why wouldn't you have the shop that restored the car repair it now?
Sounds to me the shop that used laquer thinner on the residue is saying "HOK is crap" as an excuse to cover up their bone head move.
HOK is far from crap ( if mixed and applied properly).
One of the good points of their clears is you can build up the thickness without any problems (within reason of course) so why there was a lack of mils is a bit puzzling. IF in fact the first shop gave you HOK Klear.
Also what was mentioned about matching a multi stage candy paint job is very true.You gotta have some skills for that.
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