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My father told me he used to have a 1964 1/2 fastback mustang. I was reading on it and saw that the fastback did not come out until Aug 1964 so would this be the 1965 fastback or did some owners call them 1964 1/2 fastback still? Or is there a 1964 1/2 fastback made before Aug 1964 that I dont know about. I want to get him a diecast of the car he had and just wanted to be sure which one he had. Any help would be great.
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Technically, there was no such thing as a 1964 1/2 Mustang, they're all 1965's. But since it was a mid year introduction by Ford, they're 64 1/2's so either terminology is correct. There's those who'll say 64 1/2 and others 65, this is because of the practice that's still used today to release the new year model half way through the previous year, like at the moment the 2008's are out, even though it's 2007.
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Thats correct there isnt really a 1964 1/2 mustang there is no difference between the two of them exact same car just different name it would be very difficult to find a die cast car of a 1964 1/2 you might need to search online to find one but if you cant find one a 1965 is the same car and will be no different the what he had and he will know that
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Hello. While strictly speaking, they were all 65s, of the cars refered to as 64 1/2s, none of them were fastbacks. There was a thread earlier about the differences between a 64 1/2 and a 65, which are far more numerous and significant than the differences between a 65 and a 66, so the tem 64 1/2 does have meaning. Fastbacks aren't 64 1/2s. I'll see if I can resurect that thread.
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To extend this slightly further all Mustangs built from April of 64 (when they first came out) until August of 65 (when the 66 models came out) were titled as 1965 models by Ford, and this is what they would have been registered as.

Instead of calling them 64 1/2 some people refer to them as 'early 65s' and the regular 65s as 'late 65s'.

Body wise they were almost the same with very minor differences. The biggest difference was the charging system as the late 65s went to an alternator system as the early ones were a generator. Ford also dropped the U code 170 ci 6 cyl, F code 260 V8, and the D code 289 V8 from late 65 production.
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Hi again. I just brought that thread back up to the top over in the classic tech forum.
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Its kinda like it is now you can buy a 08 car right now but its still 07 they roll out the new models before that year.Its a 65 fastback marti has the production numbers for all early mustang first year fastback was 65.Another half year car is the 70 camaro it rolled out mid year.
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Marti only does 1967 and up. The earlier records were destroyed in the early 80s before Marti could purchase them.

Marti can remake door data plates for 65 and 66 if you have the info but he doesn't have any records for those cars.
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Hello. While strictly speaking, they were all 65s, of the cars refered to as 64 1/2s, none of them were fastbacks. There was a thread earlier about the differences between a 64 1/2 and a 65, which are far more numerous and significant than the differences between a 65 and a 66, so the tem 64 1/2 does have meaning. Fastbacks aren't 64 1/2s. I'll see if I can resurect that thread.
Although true,I DID see a magazine write up a few years ago on a "64-1/2 fastback" that had many of the 64-1/2 features.Also I used to have a Junker I bought for the interior that had the carriage bolt type spare tire hold down...I know,I know...as year models changed they used up all the "old" parts building the newer model,that's probably how these few Fastbacks got those 64-1/2 features
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Although true,I DID see a magazine write up a few years ago on a "64-1/2 fastback" that had many of the 64-1/2 features.Also I used to have a Junker I bought for the interior that had the carriage bolt type spare tire hold down...I know,I know...as year models changed they used up all the "old" parts building the newer model,that's probably how these few Fastbacks got those 64-1/2 features
Hi again. Yup. I read what was probably the same article. This one was in Mustang Monthly. It was also a K code. 5-bolt block, generator charging system, all of that stuff, but it's scheduled producyion date was in like October of 64. It is actually fairy common to see cars built in the fall of 64 with that carriage bolt spare tire hold down, especially in San Jose cars.
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Mine was early too( Fastback) built Sept 65 had the vinyl on the sides of the inner frame rails, center "off "on the blower, etc. Neat stuff.
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I know this thread is old but I felt for future reference this would help.

There were 121,000 mustangs made between March 9 and August 31. These are the 1964 1/2's. There were many changes from March until August so many of these are pretty unique having some of the 1964 1/2 features(battery fins, Master cylinder switch, non folded hood, etc) and some of the final(1965) features. Not all 1964 1/2's have all of the features uniques to 1964 1/2's. For example a 1964 1/2 made in March would have the radio that has the channel 5 as the lowest displayed channel, but the 1964 1/2 built in July would have a radio that starts with a 6 as the lowest channel.

Only 4999 1964 1/2's were built at the San Jose factory and carry the R VIN code.

You can't tell a "true" 1964 1/2 by looking for all the special features, but you can tel by looking at the door code date. If it was built between March and August it is a 1964 1/2. Also the serial number can help since there were only 121,000 built between that time. If the series number(last 6 digits of the VIN) are 221,000 or less it's probably a 1964 1/2.

At this time the 1964 1/2 is worth about $1,000 more than a 1965.
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Hi again. There is a thread here http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...-mustangs.html in which we have a discussion going on that one. For a Dearborn car, if the sequential number is lower than 250,000, it's a 64 1/2, and, for a San Jose car, if it's lower than 125,000 it's a 64 1/2.
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