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Old 09-09-2008   #1 (permalink)
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My son an I bought a 1968 Mustang Coupe with a 289 and power steering, the brakes are disc in front and drums in rear. My question has to do with the master cylinder. I'm in the process of rebuilding the brake system and I'm not sure if this car came with a booster or not. The current setup does not have a booster but it could have been removed by the previous owner. The previous owner knew little about the car and never had it on the road. Currently the car does not brake well, it has a delay reaction. I've looked at several books but can't find the answer. Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Hi Guys,
My son an I bought a 1968 Mustang Coupe with a 289 and power steering, the brakes are disc in front and drums in rear. My question has to do with the master cylinder. I'm in the process of rebuilding the brake system and I'm not sure if this car came with a booster or not. The current setup does not have a booster but it could have been removed by the previous owner. The previous owner knew little about the car and never had it on the road. Currently the car does not brake well, it has a delay reaction. I've looked at several books but can't find the answer. Any assistance would be appreciated.

Regards,

Rick
Front wheel disc brakes should have a booster installed with them.
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You may have the drum brake master cyl. which has equal size reservoirs. The disc/drum brake M/C has one reservoir that is larger than the other. The internal valving is different.

Another thing to look for is a proportioning valve. (not the distribution valve where all of the lines merge) The proportioning valve will be plumbed inline with the rear brake line only. If the rear brake line going from the dist. valve to the rear of the car doesn't have anything but brake line going to the brakes, it's missing. You will need to install one. The OE proportioning valve looks like a small cylinder, mounted where the rear brake hose connects above the rear axle housing. You must have this valve with a disc/drum brake system.

The proportioning valve controls the amount of braking force to the rear brakes, which should be less than the front brakes. You can loose control of the car if the rear brakes apply with greater force than the front. These valves are available in adjustable form and are just plumbed into the rear brake line.(Usually just after the dist. valve, under the hood on the driver's side inner fender) I've found them to be more reasonably priced than the preset OE type.

The manual brake pedal is different than the power brake pedal. The manual pedal's M/C pushrod mounting pin is located higher to the pedal's pivot point than the power brake pedal. If the correct pedal is installed, the M/C or booster pushrod will run almost straight across. If the power brake pedal was installed to the M/C without the booster the pushrod would be sitting too high and would be pointing in a down position toward the pedal. The correct pedal has the pushrod sitting in a straight horizontal position. All 68 Mustangs with factory disc brakes were power. I personally have good brakes with a manual disc/drum Granada set up on my 67. The Granada disc brakes are very close to the 68s design and you could go with a manual set up if you desired.
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I agree with The Greek. I am doing a Granada Disc conversion and I will be adding the power booster. Note: If you add a booster you also need to add a support bracket as the fire wall is not strong enough on it's own to support the booster by itself.
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I'm a little confused here. The car is a 1968 Mustang coupe with power steering and front disc brakes. The master cylinder does not have a booter. I checked the pedal as The Greek sugested and it's the manual brake one. Could it be possible that Ford put out Mustangs with front disk brakes without a booster?


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All I've seen is 1966 manual disc brakes. I can only say I've only heard of Power Disc Brakes for 1968. Is it a C code? 302 Factory? I think only the GT package came with disc brakes in 68 and they were power. Check to see if you have a poportioning valve per what The Greek described. Also see if your Master Cylinder is for a 4 wheel drum set up or a disc/drum set up. Let us know
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The only disc brake option in 68 were power and were available as a stand alone option with all V8s. They were a requirement with a 390 GT, optional on all other GTs.


It sounds like a previous owner had started swapping parts to make the car a disc brake car. The pedals are different like the Greek said. I would say your car was originally a manual drum brake car like my 68 is.
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Hi Guys,
It looks like this veh came with drums all around and the previous owner did a partial conversion. Here's what I found:

1) The master cilynder has equal size reservoirs.
2) There's no proportioning valve.
3) It has the manual pedal as described by The Greek.

Anyway, I'm now looking to complete the job since these brakes don't work very well. I'm able to get a Bendix master cycilder and booster for about $125.00 from my local part store and the pedal for $100.00 on line. I also saw a modified master cylinder that works with the manual pedal for $325.00 a bit pricy the good thing is you don't have to take the dash apart and you can use the manual pedal. http://www.metropartsmarket.com/catalog/image_classicmustang_c4_16129.html

Anyway, if you guys have any suggestion, please feel free to let me know.

thanks,

Rick

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You can use a master cylinder for a 68 mustang with power disc in the fron and drum in rear. It's 25.00 and it'll work fine with the stock pedal. Buy yourself a 35.00 wilwood proportioning valve and your set. Don't waste your money.
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