1965 Mustang-I don't have rear seat belt mounts, do I? PICTURES

jatepper · 03-12-2009

I want to put rear seatbelts in my fastback, but it appears I do not have any mounts for them.

What can I do?????

durtydawgster · 03-12-2009

There aren't any mounts for them. I put some in my 1965 Coupe. I just located approximately where the seat belts should go. Bought replacement seatbelts; same as the front, drilled a hole and used some big bolts, and big washers to attach it to the floor. You want to cover as much surface area as possible with your washers. May not be as secure as it should be, but it's better than not having anything.

jatepper · 03-12-2009

What do you think if I were to buy these, cut notches in to the floor pan, and weld them in place?

++++ EDIT ++++ Does anyone have pictures of their factory seatbelt mounting locations? If I buy the mounts mentioned above, I would like to mount them as close as possible to the factory location.

Thanks!

65BlueHorse · 03-13-2009

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Originally Posted by jatepper

What do you think if I were to buy these, cut notches in to the floor pan, and weld them in place?

++++ EDIT ++++ Does anyone have pictures of their factory seatbelt mounting locations? If I buy the mounts mentioned above, I would like to mount them as close as possible to the factory location.

Thanks!

sorry no pics but those should work great. I think that is how they were fastened from the factory

fonzoayala88 · 03-13-2009

the seatbelts are mounted to the ground by a nut and a bolt pretty much. just some threaded holes on both the sides of the front passenger and driver seats. id say grade 8 bolts on the ground with thick washers plus pressure washers 2 per bolt. just sandwich the thick washer to the frame, with the pressure washer on the outside, and some thread locker, the red kind. tighten them real tight till the seatbelt doesnt swivel if u wanna be extra safe. but theres no way the weight of some one can pull a grade 8 bolt from a grade 8 nut with and adult persons weight. but u gotta use a thick bolt. what u guys think? hey if they can hold ur rotating assembly together, they can hold u in ur seat.

jatepper · 03-13-2009

Thanks for the ideas. I just need to be sure that whatever I do that I do is correctly and safely as I will have my most valuable assets riding back there.

Any other suggestions? Again, can anyone please send me a pic or two of their mounts?

Thanks!

66Sprint200 · 03-13-2009

There is another thread in here, where I posted pictures of the underside of the car showing where the mounting plates for the rear seatbelts. You could do a search for it.

Ivy66GT · 03-13-2009

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Originally Posted by jatepper

What do you think if I were to buy these, cut notches in to the floor pan, and weld them in place?

++++ EDIT ++++ Does anyone have pictures of their factory seatbelt mounting locations?

NO!

Those brackets will work although they are not what was originally on the cars. But do NOT cut a hole in the floor. The brackets go on the OUTSIDE and there is only a small bolt hole to the passenger side. The idea is that the surface area of the bracket will bear the forces against the floorpan. Like was mentioned above, the idea is a super big washer on the outside. If you cut the floor then your weld has to be perfect or your have compromised safety. Its easier and more correct to only tack weld them on the outside. Your weld should only hold the weight of the bracket and weld integrity has nothing to do with the loads the belt are supposed to withstand. Actually, if you have someone to help you by holding the brackets on the outside, you don't even need to weld them since the bolt will hold them in place. Of course, if you then take out the bolt the bracket will then fall on the road .

Some epoxy to hold them on would be fine and might even be best since there is no way that can weaken the floorboard.

66 restomod · 03-13-2009

Rear seat belt locations on our 66 Coupe.
Best picture I had from our restoration website...

Ivy66GT · 03-13-2009

Good picture. The outer mounts on a convertible are a bit further forward more on the side than the back. I think jatepper has a fastback. Does anyone know if all the fastback holes are in the same place as shown?

66 restomod · 03-13-2009

Ivy66GT, Good catch on the difference.
It does look like there are indentations or spot welds and a brace on his fastback that is close to the location of my seat belt bolts. Maybe Ford made it so belts could be added later.

jatepper · 03-14-2009

I take it these are the mounting spots that 66 restomod is referring to??

Thanks for all the input. I think I will buy four of those brackets I linked in post #3 and have at it. I will try to mount all the belts in the appropiate locations as best I can. I think as long as they are close enough and have plenty of sheet metal around them they should be secure mounting locations. Thanks guys for all your help and pictures.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...IMG_1947-1.jpg

66Sprint200 · 03-14-2009

Here you are. The person asking in this thread was asking about a fastback also. About halfway down the first page, I have posted pictures of inside and under the car where the seatbelts go. HTH.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...elts-help.html

Ivy66GT · 03-14-2009

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Originally Posted by jatepper

I take it these are the mounting spots that 66 restomod is referring to??[/IMG]

Yes, your circles are about where I would put them for the inner belt halves. Unless you find some other reason for those dimples I would think that is where Ford would have also put them. If that dimple is over something that makes drilling a hole difficult I would move the belts closer to the driveshaft instead of further away. Your picture isn't wide enough to show possible outer mounting spots and that is what I thought might differ for a fastback, or maybe not.

You are correct that exact location isn't all that important unless you are concerned about strict authenticity.

The pictures 66Sprint200 refers to shows the original style brackets in the underneath pictures. They were turned up on either end but not all the way around. The mounting shown in Veronica's '64 is perfectly fine although they are not mounted exactly like the ones in my '66 convertible. My outer belts attach low on the angled, convertible-only bracing gusset at either end of the seat. The length of those bolts are oriented almost transversely across the car instead of longitudinally front-to-rear like the ones on the inner halves. As long as the belts make it around the people in the seat they will work.

66Sprint200 · 03-14-2009

Also, on my pictures, those are original Ford mounted brackets, so I know they are in the right place.