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Old 09-27-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Default T-56 transmission on a 65 mustang fastback with 5.0L motor

I have a 1965 mustang fastback that I'm restoring and I was going to put an ALD transmission but a friend gave me a t56 six speed to put on instead. I have a 5.0L motor from a 93 mustang that I'm puting in. What do I need to do to make the t56 work in my car? Can I use the clutch, fly wheel and preasure plate from that transmission or do I have to buy a new one. What kind of bell hosing would you recommend? Thanks Very Much
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I would give www.ddperformance.com a call. They will let you know what you need.
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Your gonna have to cut and push up the tranny tunnel on it.Or hot new products has the only crossmember that lets you get away with light trimming.Talk to http://www.moderndriveline.com/ or http://www.keislerauto.com/
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What is the T56 out of? The only one that will bolt up to a 5.0 motor is the model number 1386-012 found on a metal trim tag on one of the bolts that hold the tail housing to the main case.
If it is not an 012, tell me which one it is and I will tell you what you have to do to mate it to the motor.

As far as stuffing one in a classic mustang......you can't. Not without cutting floor. There are companies who can sell you a cross member that lowers the tail housing some to make it fit but this is not the right way to do it and it will compromise the driveline angles and you will have a driveline vibration.






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The transmission came out of a 05-06 cts-v LS2. I don't know if that helps.
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You probably have to rebuild it to work on a mustang.Talk to Richard up there he can help you better then any of us.
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The transmission came out of a 05-06 cts-v LS2. I don't know if that helps.


That is an awesome transmission but it won't mate up to a 5.0 motor easily. For one, the bolt pattern on the clutch housing is completely different and secondly, the input shaft is waaayyyy too short. GM's use a 6.5" long input shaft. The 5.0 bell housing is 6.925" deep. That means the input shaft would not engage the pilot bearing in the back of the crank and that is bad.

The next thing you have to overcome is the shifter location. On that T56, the shifter is too far rearward to fit a classic mustang. There is an access cover about 7" forward on the top of the transmission that the shifter can be moved to (we sell a relocation for this) but you would need to do some measuring. On a classic mustang, the shifter opening in the floor is 20.260" back from the front face of the transmission and .375"(3/8") offset toward the driver. Compare these measurements to the transmission and see if it will work.

Next up is the cross member mounting location. On a mustang, the cross member mounting pad is roughly 15 -3/8" back from the front face of the transmission, you will need to modify the cross member to have it mate up to the gear box.

Finally is the speedometer. The LS version T56 is electronic output ONLY. They make a converter box called a Cable X box which wires into the transmission and converts the signal from electronic and turns it back to mechanical and you can run a speedo cable from the box up to the gauges. It runs $300 (we have this also).


If you are really serious about making this work, start by contacting Ross at Quick Time. Quick Time makes scatter shield bell housing and they have a bell housing for just about any application you can come up with. I checked and it looks like maybe their RM-6050 might work. It has the correct depth for the GM input of 6.3" and it has the GM bolt pattern on the back of it and the 5.0 pattern on the front of it. It uses the standard 5.0 157 tooth flywheel and clutch fork. You can check it out at www.quicktimeinc.com

Keep in mind, that LS version T56 has a 2.66 1st, 1.78 2nd, 1.30 3rd, 1:1 4th, .74 5th and a .50 6th..... you will need to run AT LEAST 3.90 or 4.10 rear gear in order to utilize 6th gear....
On paper, a .50 6th gear sounds great but in reality, most engines are not set up to run at that low of an rpm...
If you figure a 3.55 rear gear and a 26" tall tire, you're looking at 1600rpm's at 70 mph in 6th gear. Heck my daily driver, 2000GT won't pull itself at 1600rpm. I'd get run over if I pulled out to pass someone at that low an rpm . With a 4.11 and a 26" tall tire, you're at 1900 rpm to hit 70mph which is a little better.
We have a speed analyzer at out website here, ford transmission swaps | tremec | mopar restoration parts | automatic transmission, camaro transmission that you can play with to get the idea.


Good luck and let me know if I can be of further assistance.





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I have a 1968 Mustang with a T56 and this swap did not require any cutting or any fancy Transmission mount. I used a trans mission mount out of a 2003 Mach I and swapped out the mid plate on the front of the T56 as it came out of a 04 Cobra. Now on a 65, it will require some tunnel cutting! Good luck.
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