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Ok - I searched several times before posting to see if anyone has attempted installing a police interceptor (crown victoria) suspension into a 1966 Mustang coupe body.

We are planning on installing the engine and transmission from a 2006 police interceptor but were thinking of also installing the front and rear suspension. Has any had experience doing this and is it possible. We are concerned the donor suspension is too wide for the 1966 chassis.

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Hi, and welcome to the forums. I think you will find lots of knowledgeable people here that are always happy to help.

About the suspension:

The aftermarket support for the early Mustangs is astounding. There are many, many available suspension kits and mods out there; everything from a stock rebuild to coil-overs with rack and pinion, and that is just the front end.

There's a lot more out there for a 1966 Mustang than there is for a Crown Vic, and it will actually fit!

So the question again is, why do you want to do this swap? If it is because you happen to have a Crown Vic and want to save money, forget it. If it is for the handling characteristics, again, available Mustang parts will blow it away. If you just want to be different, then yes, anything can be done with enough money, time, and fabrication.

I hate to sound like I have a negative attitude towards your swap, but believe me, I'm just trying to give you some perspective.

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For example, you can use a Mustang II swap, or Griggs Racing, or an RRS strut system. These will all give you the added room to put in a mod motor, and will drastically improve handling. If you want the Crown Vic suspension, it's going to require a great deal of fabrication, where it may be worth it to just buy one of the no-fab suspensions. They all require some welding, but nothing like making your own suspension.
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Hi, thank you for the quick replies.

My motivation for using the suspension is for convenience, cost, and improved performance (from the current 1966 suspension / brakes / Steering).

The convenience is the fact that steering / brakes / etc are all direct hook ups to the engine that we are planning on installing. We are of course concerned that the convenience will be quickly eliminated by the amount of modification required to the 66 chassis.

The cost comes from the fact that we still have the cop car chassis. The extent of modification to the mustang chassis could once again render this to be untrue. I am a little bit lucky in that we own a waterjet table which in most cases makes it cheaper to fabricate modification parts than to purchase them.

Does any one know the true hub face-to-hub face dimensions of a 66 mustang and a 2006 crown victoria?

I have the track widths but this is very dependant on the tire and wheel dimensions and seems a little misleading.

I sincerly do appreciate the input and thanks again.

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Only reason i would guess is so when his friends ask what setup hes got, he can say like the blues brothers.
"Its got cop shocks, cop tyres, cop brakes, cop engine, and the engine was designed pre catalitic converters so it will run ok on regular deisel. So what do you say?...Is it the new blues mobile?"
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If you have the crown vic and the mustang. Get a tape measure and go to both cars and figure these out. One thing about projects like this is you have to get figure's on the spot. I have done swaps and could not tell you one measurement. That is the fun part of doing that project. If you dont have the car you can go to junk yard. Make sure you have a good welder or someone you know that can and all the tools you will need. Or you will being buying tool and parts in the middle of the project and this sometime makes the project stretch out a year or two. Half the time people tear into a perfect mustang and can't put it back together. Please make sure your have everything and money and time to complete. There is alot of mustang owners that hate seeing these in someone garage or yard.
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it would almost be easier to find a way to make the classic mustang unibody bolt onto the crown vic frame...shortening it and narrowing it where necessary.

I'll be honest, that's a ton of work to get a lackluster engine/trans combo and suspension combo. just because you have the cop car doesn't mean that it's the best swap that can be done.

If you're dead set on a newer engine, consider the new 5.0 crate motor from ford
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Sell or part out the Interceptor. Use the proceeds to fund your suspension and engine work.

Really, you can do what you want with your car, but yeah, V8only said it well: lackluster engine and suspension. If you've got the resources to fabricate, better to use those skills doing a swap that makes sense
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Thanks for the input

I need to do more homework on the suspension but am taken back by the comment on lack luster engine / transmission. This engine with proper cold air intake produces 300 hp(+). The crate engine is a really nice option but is way more per horse power cost wise.

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from a power to weight ratio perspective the crate motor is better

I will however put more thought into this based on the feedback.

Thanks

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the late model 4.6 modular motors leave a lot to be desired. 300 hp is not nearly as much as you'd think. Their mammoth size is one of the biggest issues. The other problem is n/a hp. It's basically impossible to build them up in n/a trim....on a realistic budget. What you see is what you get. As well, the engine you have is the 250 hp version, not 300....AND the cold air intake is why it's at 250 and not lower. I'd like to see what you're going to do to bump it up a true and honest 50 hp n/a for anything less than a small fortune. It's also the 2 valve modular motor, by far the least desireable. Again, the vic is no where near 300 hp, and no cold air intake on the planet is gonna get it there.

I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but rather make you see the enormous amount of fabrication work you have, just to wind up with no benefit over a $250 junkard motor/tranny. The late model explorers 96-2001 had the last of the 302/5.0 pushrod engines and with a carb and good intake will make 300 real hp, easily 50+ more than that 2v modular motor will and it'll bolt right into what you've got now.

As far as the vic suspension goes, try driving the car lol before you consider it being an "upgrade" I had a crown vic, and I certainly wouldn't want my mustang to ride like one. Check out the opentracker site and their roller bearing kits....

I seriously applaud your courage to undertake a project like this, but you're using the wrong donor car, period. If you want a serious drivetrain swap with a late modular 4.6L...then you need to be searching for a wrecked 03/04 mustang cobra or even a late model 96+ 4v cobra n/a engine/trans combo.....
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There was a thread on here, probably around somewhere (thought it was sticky'd to the top at one point) about the progress a guy was making on what is essentially dropping a '65 2+2 onto a Cobra chassis; major, major surgery. I did find this guy's thread that is doing a Cobra/Torino of some sort; looks like he's got his work cut out for him:

http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/maki...orino-gts.html

If you really like the fuel-injection idea, a 5.0 EFI swap is the way to go. I don't even need to get into what can be done to one of those motors, there's so much out there for them. A 347 stroker would be a good start.

For your case, you want the rack & pinion steering and better suspension, so here's a short list for you:

Rack& Pinion conversion with P/S

Front suspension kit from Mustangs Plus or similar, with 620# springs

"Shelby" upper arm drop

Monte Carlo and Export brace

5 leaf springs in the rear (also included in the M.P. kits and others)

Performance shocks

Rear sway bar

Contact Mustangs Plus. Those guys deal in suspension upgrades, as well as racing of vintage Mustangs. They'll get you squared away.

V8only is right; even if you did the Vic swap successfully, you'd be hard pressed to do any serious upgrades to the powerplant without coughing up big time money.

I was once set to buy a '66 six cylinder hardtop for very cheap. I was going to cut the top off to make a convertible, and then swap in a V8. In the end, I was given lots of advice to just buy a V8 convertible in the first place, and I really saved a lot of time and money.

Now if you just wanted to swap that motor.............
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I'm not sure where you are getting the police interceptor package from, but I'll share a few things about the ones I drove in California (at least until I retired in 2006). The engine was nothing special. It ran good, and was bullet proof, considering we drove with the foot to the floor a lot. The cooling and suspension package was the Ford heavy duty option. Not too many problems, again considering the abuse. The weak point was the trans. We had 21 cars, and at times as many as 5 or 6 were at the dealer waiting for a replacement trans. 0 to 100+ several times a day is not what they were designed for. Engine/trans/suspension was a good package for people that drive a Crown Vic., but I think you money and time would be much better spent buying purpose built parts. Just my opinion.
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the late model 4.6 modular motors leave a lot to be desired. 300 hp is not nearly as much as you'd think. Their mammoth size is one of the biggest issues. The other problem is n/a hp. It's basically impossible to build them up in n/a trim....on a realistic budget. What you see is what you get. As well, the engine you have is the 250 hp version, not 300....AND the cold air intake is why it's at 250 and not lower. I'd like to see what you're going to do to bump it up a true and honest 50 hp n/a for anything less than a small fortune. It's also the 2 valve modular motor, by far the least desireable. Again, the vic is no where near 300 hp, and no cold air intake on the planet is gonna get it there.

I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but rather make you see the enormous amount of fabrication work you have, just to wind up with no benefit over a $250 junkard motor/tranny. The late model explorers 96-2001 had the last of the 302/5.0 pushrod engines and with a carb and good intake will make 300 real hp, easily 50+ more than that 2v modular motor will and it'll bolt right into what you've got now.

As far as the vic suspension goes, try driving the car lol before you consider it being an "upgrade" I had a crown vic, and I certainly wouldn't want my mustang to ride like one. Check out the opentracker site and their roller bearing kits....

I seriously applaud your courage to undertake a project like this, but you're using the wrong donor car, period. If you want a serious drivetrain swap with a late modular 4.6L...then you need to be searching for a wrecked 03/04 mustang cobra or even a late model 96+ 4v cobra n/a engine/trans combo.....
the PI 4.6 is the top of the line police motor, basically a Cobra motor with a cast crank. the heads make the motor look huge.......and as for n/a? after all the mods.........the 4.6 can be super charged& out run that 302 crate or 351W crate engine, on a budget no less, ever driven a police Crown Vic? they handle GREAT for being a huge car! they have a better suspension package than a civilian crown vic.
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i'd love to own a police vic, and I haven't driven one. Last Vic I had was an 85..same frame though, lol.

It's got the PI stuff, but judging from the HP level I'd assume it's still a 2 valve.
I never had much love for the modular motors, so I'm unfairly biased, I'll admit. I'm an N/A junky, and nothing excites me more than budget head swaps, budget cam and intake swaps and the sort...that's the stuff I like to do on the weekends.

There is some stuff that can be done with a 2v...my friend managed to get one into the 13's na without any headwork, and this was the weaker 98 engine...non pi heads but he did do the pi cam swap.
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The crown vic only got the 2v sohc which is nothing more then what the mustang had but for the intake manifold.The rear end is a good 3 inch's too wide to fit a 66.After working for ford i won't ever own a mod motor its too much work to replace normal things.Like pulling a head on most cars means pulling the engine is easier.Its a lot easier and cheap to run a 5.0 and overdrive in your car then try what your thinking.
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