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Default 1965 Mustang Alignment Specs?

Just worked on my front end, including changing out the springs. I'm having trouble finding anyone that has "the specs" to properly align my car.

Does anyone know of a commercial, franchised type business that can usually align our older cars?
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This page...

DazeCars, Shelby Drop, Klaus Arning drop, upper control arm drop, Falcon, Mustang, Cougar 60-70

has much more info than your looking for (it's a great read however), but about 3/4s of the way down has some modern specs for the old Mustangs.
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Just worked on my front end, including changing out the springs. I'm having trouble finding anyone that has "the specs" to properly align my car.

Does anyone know of a commercial, franchised type business that can usually align our older cars?
I am about ready to do the same thing myself, so you just beat me to the question. Well, I am confident the smart folks here will have the answer.
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Manual steering:
1.5 degrees positive caster
1 degree negative camber
1/8" toe in

Power steering:
2.5 degrees positive caster
1 degree negative camber
1/8" toe in

all specs equal side to side
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Any decent alignment shop CAN align a Mustang but they may not WANT to do it. The details of how to do it are pretty simple but, compared to many new cars, all those fiddly shims are too much trouble. And after 45 years they also may not want to deal with a car possibly having been hit 3 times from 4 different directions which can make a proper alignment more difficult, it not impossible. Impossible to them usually means it would be so much work that they would lose money doing it so 'please go away'.

As with any car the alignment specs depend greatly upon how you want the car to handle. The ones Paul gives are close to what I would also use but they are not the Ford specs. From the manual, the 'desired' caster would be Zero degrees and camber would be positive 0.5 degrees for a V8 car. So when you say 'specs' you need to define what you mean by specs.
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Any decent alignment shop CAN align a Mustang but they may not WANT to do it. The details of how to do it are pretty simple but, compared to many new cars, all those fiddly shims are too much trouble. And after 45 years they also may not want to deal with a car possibly having been hit 3 times from 4 different directions which can make a proper alignment more difficult, it not impossible. Impossible to them usually means it would be so much work that they would lose money doing it so 'please go away'.

As with any car the alignment specs depend greatly upon how you want the car to handle. The ones Paul gives are close to what I would also use but they are not the Ford specs. From the manual, the 'desired' caster would be Zero degrees and camber would be positive 0.5 degrees for a V8 car. So when you say 'specs' you need to define what you mean by specs.
Exactly!

Bottom line is--You will absolutely have to find a old school alignment guy. Yes, dam hard to find, but are still out there, a true Hot Rodder who won't even look at the misprinted specs sheet. (He won't have a computer printout)-

If you walk into a alignment shop, see a young person approach with those badges sewn on both arms, chest, and back, you had best be exiting the premises PDQ!

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....If you walk into a alignment shop, see a young person approach with those badges sewn on both arms, chest, and back, you had best be exiting the premises PDQ!....
Ditto to that AND stay away from tire shops, etc. You aren't going to get your alignment for $59.95-139.95.

Find out where the custom hot rodders go in your area.
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Ditto to that AND stay away from tire shops, etc. You aren't going to get your alignment for $59.95-139.95.

Find out where the custom hot rodders go in your area.
Excellent point! "where the hot rodders go". It's a little late in the season, but, attending car shows can be an excellent way to get a source for alignment.
The specs I have used with great success, are:
Caster 2.0
Camber .5
Toe 1/16-1/8th
The shop will compensate for road crown during the process.
Good Luck and seek out a custom rod shop for recommendations.
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Don't use the factory specs! they are for bias ply tires and will not be stable with radials. You need more caster with radial tires. Radials also tollerate less (more negative) camber than bias ply tires and it increases the handling.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. That's my main problem: the car shows are pretty much finished in my area (Illinois) and so I don't really have any POCs to chat with. I'll keep looking and work on some networking to see waht I can find. Word of mouth will be the way to go.

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