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1967 Mustang 428 with Twin Turbo?

I might be purchasing a junk 68 Torino with a 428 (already out of the car) and a 67 Mustang. I am thinking of possibly putting the Torino's 428 into the Mustang and putting Twin Turbo on it.. My concern is that I'm not a mechanic (an experienced friend will be helping me.) What kinds of problems can you guys see with me trying to fit twin turbos on that 428 in the car?

From what I've read, the 67 was the first year with a larger engine bay, so hopefully it actually fits.. Any suggestions?
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I might be purchasing a junk 68 Torino with a 428 (already out of the car) and a 67 Mustang. I am thinking of possibly putting the Torino's 428 into the Mustang and putting Twin Turbo on it.. My concern is that I'm not a mechanic (an experienced friend will be helping me.) What kinds of problems can you guys see with me trying to fit twin turbos on that 428 in the car?

From what I've read, the 67 was the first year with a larger engine bay, so hopefully it actually fits.. Any suggestions?
the body wont handle that kind of power to begin with....the breaks wont stop it. Depending on what millimeter hairdryers you use will determine space or the lack there of. That motor, if stock, wont handle that much power and will most likely break.

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the body wont handle that kind of power to begin with....the breaks wont stop it. Depending on what millimeter hairdryers you use will determine space or the lack there of. That motor, if stock, wont handle that much power and will most likely break.
what about a single turbo, or supercharger? would I still have to rebuild the engine with the expensive stuff?
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the body wont handle that kind of power to begin with....the breaks wont stop it. Depending on what millimeter hairdryers you use will determine space or the lack there of. That motor, if stock, wont handle that much power and will most likely break.
also, will it help my cause if I find that the engine is a Cobra Jet? the Torino is a GT... and I can't find anything about 68 Torinos coming with a 428 that is not a Cobra Jet (but this is me reading Wikipedia, please correct me if I am wrong.)
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also, will it help my cause if I find that the engine is a Cobra Jet? the Torino is a GT... and I can't find anything about 68 Torinos coming with a 428 that is not a Cobra Jet (but this is me reading Wikipedia, please correct me if I am wrong.)
Torino's, I am positive came with the 428. A friend of mine has a 67 coupe with a 428 in it, with some mild performace and the motor alone, minus power adders is pretty much impossible to drive. The thing is all over the place, it has a 4:11 rear gear which doesnt help but if your going to add anything like this you will need the bottom end rebuilt or the motor is going to sling into pieces.

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Torino's, I am positive came with the 428. A friend of mine has a 67 coupe with a 428 in it, with some mild performace and the motor alone, minus power adders is pretty much impossible to drive. The thing is all over the place, it has a 4:11 rear gear which doesnt help but if your going to add anything like this you will need the bottom end rebuilt or the motor is going to sling into pieces.
thanks! when i am done i will update and bump this thread!
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well at age 23 it's nice to dream, however unless your last name is "Hilton" or "Buffett" then you really have no idea of how much money you are talking about...to do a twin turbo 428 with all supporting mods would cost you at least $30K, probably more...got that kinda cash laying around? And do you even know someone who would build it?
Why not just rebuild the 428 with a nice cam and drop that in, with a nice C6 or built C4 it would be a great ride
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well at age 23 it's nice to dream, however unless your last name is "Hilton" or "Buffett" then you really have no idea of how much money you are talking about...to do a twin turbo 428 with all supporting mods would cost you at least $30K, probably more...got that kinda cash laying around? And do you even know someone who would build it?
Why not just rebuild the 428 with a nice cam and drop that in, with a nice C6 or built C4 it would be a great ride
no need to make assumptions based on my age, i have made some pretty good choices in life and as such make more than most 23 year olds.. i just bought a house, and now that i have a garage i'd like to have a car to put into it and work on. and i do know someone who would build it

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I would seriously consider what has been advised and if you are dead set on the 428 just build it up with nice cam and intake and headers. That would be a great setup and you would have plenty of power for that car. To build a turbo car like you want takes something you dont have which you have admitted. You need mechanical knowledge which you say you are not a mechanic. For a twinturbo build you also need alot of fabricating skills which if you are not a mechanic you are probably not a fabricator. Now im not trying to be mean just trying to help you where you dont get to a point in the build where you are stuck and end up getting frustrated and get rid of your project. We dont know what skills your buddy has but to rely on a friend to help with all aspects of your project might not be a good idea. I suggest walking into the pool first instead of not knowing how to swim and jump off the diving board with concrete shoes. This is a great forum and lots of accumulative knowledge with people that will help all they can. And to answer you question with a single turbo or supercharger whether you would need "expensive stuff" in engine. Simple answer is Yes. So whatever you decide to do good luck in your project!! keep us up to date

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I would seriously consider what has been advised and if you are dead set on the 428 just build it up with nice cam and intake and headers. That would be a great setup and you would have plenty of power for that car. To build a turbo car like you want takes something you dont have which you have admitted. You need mechanical knowledge which you say you are not a mechanic. For a twinturbo build you also need alot of fabricating skills which if you are not a mechanic you are probably not a fabricator. Now im not trying to be mean just trying to help you where you dont get to a point in the build where you are stuck and end up getting frustrated and get rid of your project. We dont know what skills your buddy has but to rely on a friend to help with all aspects of your project might not be a good idea. I suggest walking into the pool first instead of not knowing how to swim and jump off the diving board with concrete shoes. This is a great forum and lots of accumulative knowledge with people that will help all they can. And to answer you question with a single turbo or supercharger whether you would need "expensive stuff" in engine. Simple answer is Yes. So whatever you decide to do good luck in your project!! keep us up to date
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One idea you may want to consider is, do the swap in stages. Get '67 Mustang body ready for big block by adding 9" rear, big block suspension, frame connectors, disc brakes, etc, then if block doesn't need rebuild, go ahead and get it in car as is. Get either a C6 trans, or big block 4spd, and get car set up right. After that, then you can start upgrading engine the way you want.
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If youve actually got a 428 cobra jet torino with a real 428 cobra jet engine and you separate them then you should be shot.

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what you may consider "junk" could be simply a rough start for a more experienced restorer.
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If youve actually got a 428 cobra jet torino with a real 428 cobra jet engine and you separate them then you should be shot.

My $.02

what you may consider "junk" could be simply a rough start for a more experienced restorer.
If that 428 is the orginal motor, they are really quite rare. There were no plain jane 428's after '66', all were either Cj or the SCJ. If it has the auto, it should also be the really hard to find C-6 with the large input spline (if orginal). Any data on the door or VIN, know the guys at the '68'69' Fairlane site would love to have any info. They keep track of that data like Veronica does.
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If youve actually got a 428 cobra jet torino with a real 428 cobra jet engine and you separate them then you should be shot.

My $.02

what you may consider "junk" could be simply a rough start for a more experienced restorer.
the pictures show tons of rust, i'm hoping it hasn't caused too much damage... will see tomorrow when i check out the two cars

but it is listed as a fastback 428 gt with a cast iron auto trans

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the pictures show tons of rust, i'm hoping it hasn't caused too much damage... will see tomorrow when i check out the two cars
throw some pics on here, I would like to see the 428.

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