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Engine to rebuild and learn about

I want an engine to just have in my garage to work on and learn about since I can't take apart my engine because it is my daily driver. I think I want a 289 because they seem the most available. Any suggestions? Anybody have one they want to sell in the los Angeles area?

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Hi,
Nice pursuit.
Sorry, I can't help with providing an engine source, so much as provide information I've learned over the years. There a number of resource tools (books) that support an engine's ability to run. So, while waiting for your "hands-on" engine, know that, it all boils down to three components for any given engine to run....fuel. compression, and ignition. Each of theses, are a course in themselves. Another great resource, is to join a local car club, attend shows, meets, and cruises. Learn to differentiate between the "gee whiz" stuff and what actually works and performs well. Understanging the theory of operation of each component system will help you down the road when it comes time to diagnose a problem.
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hi there sg, thats sounds like a fun idea aleibet not gonna be cheap! is a 289 whats in you car? when i was a kid my father bought me a revell visable v8 model kit and we put it together- i got the general idea of how and why it worked.i continued the tradition and made one with my middle son. they still sell them, got any body in your life you could buy one for and work together on it? like ken said, there are some great engine rebuild books out there-if you can afford it, sure, buy an engine stand, get a used engine-maybe a latter model roller 302, have fun rebuilding it, put it in your mustang and sell your 289 !!!!!!! of course that plans going to lead to new tools, a newer transmission, free flow exhaust. upgraded cooling,steering,brakes, gotta have a new stereo, change the wheels, posi-traction, oh my, this hobby just never ends!!

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it can be cheap if you just want an engine to practice putting together to learn on. I sold my blown 289 to a father and his son off Craigslist for $75 I think it was. It has a piston through the cylinder wall so they were essentially paying for the heads and the original iron 4V intake. The guy just wanted an engine to put together with his kid for practice.

You should have an easy time finding a motor, maybe not a 289 but at least a 302, calling around to some junkyards, looking on craigslist, or doing a WTB blown motor ad on craigslist. That would probably draw a lot of people out of the wood work.

I also highly recommend getting the Boxwrench Basis Engine Building dvd. Very good resource and a very well done video. I go back to it quite often.
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Spencer,

Good idea. That is the reason I bought my first Mustang - to have something to take apart and learn how it all worked. I figured if I screwed it all up it wouldn't be out a lot of money and I would have learned something. It did require some space for storage though since I bought an entire car.

I'm still driving the car 32 years later.
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Thanks everyone!! Iv emailed a few guys on Craigslist selling 289's for 250$-500$. Should I be looking for a 302? I currently have an I6 and I don't think I would replace it. How exactly do you transport and engine? Do gig theme it in the back of a truck?

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And then once you get it home, how do you get it onto a engine stand??

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As a newby looking at it, you couldn't tell a 289 from a 302. If its just for learning purposes it makes no difference which you bought.

Use an old tire in your truck bed and put the oil pan inside the tire. That should keep it from rolling around in the bed.

Getting it out? How did you get it IN the truck? Now you are talking a lift, hoist, A-frame, etc. Or some BIG neighbors to help lift.

If completely disassembled I haul all the parts in the trunk of my car (done that with SEVERAL different cars). However, you want one assembled so YOU can take it apart and see how its done.
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I think the short block is about 250 lbs, the heads and intake adds about another 160 lbs, this is just a guess, but I think I'm pretty close, me and my buddy, would just set the short block in the car by hand, and we are not big guys. Tearing apart and putting together is important, especially torquing the bolts and nuts, but in the rebuilding process, measuring, and cleaning is equally important as any particles left in the engine will either wind up in a bearing or in the oil pump (neither is a good choice), I use a rifle bore cleaning kit since it has the wire brush tips and the extensions to extend it down the passages, like the oil passages, and lots of solvent, and many trips to the car wash to use the high pressure sprayer. Good Luck.
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heck, whats wrong with finding an i6 like yours in need of a rebuild? do that and you have a new engine good to go. harbor freight sells inexpensive engine hoists and a 4 caster engine stand. you can hop up the 6cyl a little bit and learn the same as doing a v8 your not gonna use.....then you can pull your engine and redo the engine bay!!!!

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heck, whats wrong with finding an i6 like yours in need of a rebuild? do that and you have a new engine good to go. harbor freight sells inexpensive engine hoists and a 4 caster engine stand. you can hop up the 6cyl a little bit and learn the same as doing a v8 your not gonna use.....then you can pull your engine and redo the engine bay!!!!
Good idea. Iv been researching engines all morning and I didn't realize that the 289 had more hp than the 302. But I still kinda want a v8

Iv been emailing a guy about a 66 289 4 bbl for 275$. He sent a pic that I might be able to upload if u guys want.

Also a guy with a 289 2bbl for 300
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/3405334001.html

A guy with an i6 that he pulled out to put in a v8. Waiting for a pic and asking price.

And a guy with a 65 289 with everything for 500$. Probably a 2bbl. Waiting for pic. This one is the closest to my house but most expensive.

I obviously found more 289's. It sounds cool to have the 4bbl one but it looks kinda rough. I'll attach the pic if I can figure it out

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...I didn't realize that the 289 had more hp than the 302.
Not necessarily. All other things equal the 302 would have a little more HP since it has more displacement. A 289 would have been rated in gross HP and a later 302 would have been rated in net HP which is always lower even for the same engine.

A 6 like your own wouldn't be a bad idea either. The basics of either are the same.
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Not necessarily. All other things equal the 302 would have a little more HP since it has more displacement.

A 6 like your own wouldn't be a bad idea either. The basics of either are the same.
It looked like the hipo 4bbl 289 could have more hp.

The one guy is selling his I6 for 400$ and says he could get a complete 302 or 289 for 500$
But do either of the two that I have pics for above look any good??

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It looked like the hipo 4bbl 289 could have more hp.

The one guy is selling his I6 for 400$ and says he could get a complete 302 or 289 for 500$
But do either of the two that I have pics for above look any good??

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well that's a hipo, which you won't have, ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$).

As the saying goes, 'there's no replacement for displacement.' It is going to be easier to make more power in a 302 than a 289. What they were rated out of the factory is pointless unless you're building an entirely stock, original motor with no after market performance upgrades.

It doesn't matter how rough the engine looks, providing the block or heads aren't cracked and the cylinders don't have to be bored anything too extreme. By the time a block comes out of the hot tank at the machine shop and gets repainted, it looks like a brand new engine.

As far as which one to go with, I would go with the cheapest one. You're probably going to want to put a 4 bbl aluminum intake on anyways unless you want to keep everything bone stock.
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