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A couple of weeks ago I purchased a 65 with what I believed was a 289 engine. When replacing the plugs I found that instead of using Autolite 45s, Autolite 25s were in the engine. I was told by a friend that it might have 302 heads, to remove the valve covers and see what is embossed on the head, 289 or 302. Well its neither, the only thing I see is a CCP logo with I think is Cleveland Casting Plant and a number plate that is screwed on the head which reads "1179". Is there another way to tell what heads or engine I have. Thanks, Bob with his covers off.
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Shoot us a picture. Its easier than another 1000 words.
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CCP, 1179 (or 6L11), and circled number attached. This is all I see on the head. Do you need a wider shot?
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Looks like a late 1966 289 head from the pics. "6L11" would seem to confirm that. Of course, those heads would have been originally installed on a 1967 production automobile would be my guess.
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Thanks Al. Hopefully I will know more later today when a restoration friend comes over to see them. I'll post the results.
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The CP doesn't look right. That should be a CF for Cleveland Foundry and the font also isn't what was on the Ford engines.

That number is cast into the metal. Its not anything attached with a screw, the screw held the template on to the mold at the foundry that made it. If its a Ford part the 6L11 would say 11 Nov '66 so whatever it is wouldn't originally have been in any '65 model car but as Al said, it was in a '67 something.

The atttached is a mid-year '66 head. The CF is just to the right of center; that is how the Ford CF always looked. The date code is at the top edge, above the '66' on the left side.
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Maybe its not a 60s head?

Who says 6L11 can't be 11 Nov 76 or 86??

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last time I had my valve covers off I seen 289 and 66 casted into the top of the head
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Today we dropped the starter to see the stamping on the block these heads are sitting on. The number is C8OE-6015. I found a web site that shows all the stampings and sure enough that CCP logo I have didn't show up. The site is http://mustangtek.com/FordDecode.html They also show the decoding. It looks like the block is a sixty-eight and was in a Fairlane. I will post the intake manifold number tomorrow but I think it is also 68. Are there any other photos I could post to help identify this thing. 289, 302, 335, ?? Thanks for helping me to figure this out.
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Sometimes the last letter, which I can't read from your picture, is important. In this case it is not since there is only one C8OE possibility for an SBF which is C8OE-6015-A. That was a Cleveland block marked with 302 but used in late 67 to build 289s and in 68/69 to build 302s. The 'O' has nothing to do with what car it was in: it was used in anything Ford made with those engines. It was DESIGNED for a Fairlane but used in anything. There was never a 289 block designed for a Mustang. The SBF was introduced as a Fairlane engine.

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That CP casting mark is not one I have seen on any Cleveland Foundry part for this time period.
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Thanks IVY66, so I have a block built in 67 for a 68 289 (didn't know what marked for 302 means). Heads built in 66 for a 67 (or 76, 86). and an intake manifold with the number C8AE 9425 B which says it was build in 68 (or 78, 88). I guess I have an engine that is anything I want it to be (289, 302, etc) much like my mongrel dog. Sorry to be dense but what does SBF stand for? I emailed the CCF logo to the MustandTech.com people asking their help in identifying it. If I get a reply I will post it.

I never knew how but always wanted to learn how to work on cars. When I turned 70 I got a chance. A pro friend, myself and some of my grandchildren just completed an everything off and out restoration on the Tbird shown. The mustang has the engine we are discussing.

Thanks to everyone for your help and understanding.
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SBF - small block Ford V8: 221, 260, 289 or 302

If you pull the intake manifold the block has 302 cast in the metal under the manifold.

C8AE 9425 B - 2V manifold used for years 67/8/9. Could have been built in any of those years, the date code will tell you which.

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I haven't been able to verify this, but here is my best guess as to the CCP casting vs. the CF. The Cleveland foundry (CF) had to open a second location I think in the '50s because of demand. The second location was referred to at the Cleveland Casting Plant, thus CCP. I'm a gonna keep lookin. Will holler if I find anything different.
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Thanks Al and IVY66, I won't take off the manifold Ivy since I'm sure you are sure its a 302. My reference should have read "mustangtek", not "mustangtech". I'm also still looking Al and will post what I find out about the logo.
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No, I don't know which it is. The block is marked '302' but it may well be a late '67 289. They used the block for both. If the date code were for 69 then it would be a 302 since the last 289 was in early 68.

But, no, I wouldn't pull the intake just for that. It doesn't make THAT much difference.
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