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I was wondering what the best ford 351 engine is. The windsor, clevlend or the m. i am looking to buy a 351 but i'm not sure which to buy. I'm using a 1965 mustang coupe.

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go for the big block! lol
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the one that fits the best for your car is the windsor, then the cleavo, and last, the modified, the M is wider than the C, however it has better oiling, and you can make a ton of power with a M if you deck the heads and run a 4 barrel
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The 351W is the one with the better oil system, but it has 3" mains. The 351/400 Midland is too large you would have too much cutting to fit plus they use a very large bell housing on to trans. The 351 Cleveland will fit, but it would be tight, same goes for the 351 Windsor.

The Windsor would be a good choice. There are more parts on the market for it then the Cleveland.

Have you thought about a stroked 302 say like a 331/347?
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the 351/400 MODIFIED has the basic oiling system of a Windsor, and the canted valves of a Cleaveland, and I would only use it in a 71-73
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Save some money and stick with a 302... fits better, good slection of parts available, and can make a ton of power at a better price...
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if i went with a 302 block would many of the 289 parts be interchangable ? Would i only need a crankshaft to convert to a 347 ci?
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Crank, rods and pistons...
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where could i buy a cheap 68-81 302 block.
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I found a engine on the net and the owner had it rebuilt and bored .040 over. I 'm wondering if this would be a good buy, it also comes with new pistons, crank, cam and hydraulic lifters.

i'm looking for any info on a 302 that would help me buy a good engine.
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I'm with Ron, stick with the 302. If need be, stroke it

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the 351/400 MODIFIED has the basic oiling system of a Windsor, and the canted valves of a Cleaveland, and I would only use it in a 71-73

The Modified engines are of the same family as the Cleveland "335 Series" The 351 Cleveland block was redesigned to accommodate the longer stroke and larger mains of the 400M crank. The 351/400M had a 3.00" main where the 351C had a 2.75" main. The cyl heads are almost the same. You can even use the Cleveland valve train, except the push rods, on a Midland. The oiling system was not changed. To use these engines in a high horsepower application it is necessary to run an oil line from the sender area to the back of the block.

The 351 Windsor is in the Small Block Series with the 221, 260, 289, 289HP, 302, 5.0, etc. and has the same oiling system. The 351W also has a 3.00" main.
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one thing to think about is a kit from PAW, a NEW block with crank, rods and pistons for a 327......$1700, plus it is a roller cam block
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Go with a 351W, get a stroker kit and open it up to 420+ cubic inches. Convert it to a roller cam and throw in an SVO X303 grind. Use Edelbrock Performer RPM heads (1.90 intake 1.60 exhaust). Get forged pistons with 9:1 compression. Top it off with an Edelbrock Victor manifold and Holley 750 carb. Now THAT would be a sweet combination!
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I did the 351w in to a 66 mustang, you will need to also think about your headers/exhaust manifolds, you will also need to get the 66 style motor mount brackets and ear type motor mounts. if your car has power steering there is a little bracket you need to make or buy to mount your pump. We ended up running stock K-code manifolds on our 66 because of clearance, you do not want to be working on your headers every other weekend and besides we could slide a paper between the stock manifolds and the shock towers as it was. We used a Ford Racing 351W with a 4 speed top loader and a 9inch posi rearend. The car was killer. We used a Ebrock intake and carb and it was a great car. After about two weeks out to the local races the hondas stopped rolling up and no one would race the Blue mustang anymore.
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All the imports dont drive anywhere near me, ill smoke there @$$! My 351c has been really good to me, untill a weak ago when i was going to put a better crank shaftin and found the barrings had BIG gashes in them. Turns out a rod was looseand a cylinder head has a big groove in it. I told my dad that we should of had it fixed when i told him i had a rod loose, but he thought thiker oil would help. I said no way pops, lets fixit, blah blah blah. Now we have to fix alot more than we would have.
. But i'll have it done within a week or 2. Then the impoerts will go back to there hiding places, wich should rightfully be the junkyard. But I am being a hipocrit, i am going to buy a Acura Integra, its so i can make it to work without filling up my gas tank 2 times, lol. Ill drive my stang and cruise everyday though still.
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