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Cool Rack and Pinion upgrade

I've got a 67 mustang coupe and I'm going to upgrade it to a rack and pinion system. Was wondering if I should just buy the 2k kit or just get one from the junk yard off a late model mustang. I am on a budget.
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I'm very surprised no one has jumped on this post. It just comes down to the trade off between old and new, or labor and money.

I suggest a new system made for your car. I have not made this upgrade so I'm no help in the actual doing. But I would want new.
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I too have not done this, but a search on this forum will turn up lots of threads about it, one very recent if I recall.
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there are many kits available to install on your car. getting one out of a junkyard is going to be difficult, they are in no way a bolt in option most are made to go in front of the lower control arms which wont work with an early model steering column. I would definitely recommend a kit designed and tested to work on your car. I am a big fan of total control products I have used 2 of them. they are pricey but I have never had problems with them I have had the one in my car for 15 years with no problems.
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A friend of mine put a UniSteer R/P in his 69 this past year. Said he wouldn't use their stuff again after the issues he had with it, namely the thing locked up and he couldn't turn
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i have used several different aftermarket rack and pinions and did not like them nor did i consider them an upgrade from the system that was designed to be in the car. a car that is designed from the factory with rack and pinion work fine. i would spend that money elsewhere on my car.
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i have used several different aftermarket rack and pinions and did not like them nor did i consider them an upgrade from the system that was designed to be in the car. a car that is designed from the factory with rack and pinion work fine. i would spend that money elsewhere on my car.
I would respectfully disagree my total control rack and pinion is the best thing I ever did for my car. It drives down the road like a new car with 1 finger on the wheel. I think it is money very well spent, and it is the first thing I bought for my daughters 67 mustang. with the power rack and pinion and the krc power steering pump the steering effort is minimal even at low speeds.
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sorry, i forgot to add that there was no play in the stock system from the factory and if you simply want to reduce the ratio so the steering is more responsive, you can simply install a tighter ratio gear box. doing this will make it harder to turn but will be most noticeable when going slow like when trying to park in a parking space etc.. a rack and pinion with the same steering ratio will be just about as hard to turn as a non rack and pinion because the ratios are the same. the design of the rack can make it slightly easier to turn but this reduction in turning effort is very small and is due to the design of the rack system. if you want to change boxes you can look on yours and post the info on the metal tag on it. if the tag is gone, you can simply turn the steering wheel all the way in either direction until it stops then turn it back the other way until it stops and just count the number of turns it is. the highest ratio box for a 64 thru 66 is a gt box. if you have this box AND wide tires it will require a substantial amount of effort to turn the wheel at very low speed or a dead stop. this will be the same problem with a rack with the same ratio.
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Do NOT just get a Fox rack and toss it in. Unless you have experience designing suspension systems and setting bumpsteer, Ackermann, and packaging everything, you'll likely have a car that is worse than before. Your best bet is to get a ready-made kit. Total Control Products has the backing of Chris Alston's ChassisWorks, and they have lots of experience with suspension systems. A rack and pinion system has fewer points of movement than the factory recirculating ball system, and so it will wear less and maintain better steering feel throughout the life of the car. Not to mention, I feel that a rack and pinion system packages better than the recirculating ball system, especially with power steering.
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