The block number will be a 6015 number with a date code casting showing a few weeks before the build date
Each engine cast part has a cast date of the engineering number. Intake and exhaust manifolds,heads,and other Machined parts have stampings for ID and date
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thank you for the welcome, a title search you say? im sure its been in this state becasue my car has the original black plates, ill call dmv to see if they can send me that title search your talking about.
The door tag reads O4B, I remember someone asking me if the engine in my car was original and I had no clue, this lead me to dig around looking for a vin, after looking I could not find one!
I did find lots and lots of parts numbers around the block like on the intake, alternator, and so on but no vin # any where!! I read on a site where it said you gotta take out the starter and underneath you should see a tag with a stamp, sure enough I found it but I forgot the numbers they read like 4NB I think, so from this I know the block was built back in 64 so It might be the original.
Hello. There has always been some discussion about this point among Mustang folks. The reason that there has always been discussion is because the point is a little more complicated than it might seem at a glance.On the one hand, you have the fact that all Mustangs built prior to the 66 model year have 1965 vins, and on the title it says 1965 Ford Mustang.One would think that this would pretty much exhaust the matter. But, on the other hand, you have a mountain of evidence to the contrary.First off, you have dozens, if not hundreds, of parts on a 65/66 Mustang carrying a part number that goes C4Z something or another. If you check with your handy Ford part number decoder you will see that C4Z means 1964 Mustang. Fortunately, I have a pretty extensive collection of original Ford publications from that era. The first picture is the cover of a Ford publication that they put out in aug of 1963 in preparation for the 64 model year. It is not a copy or a reprodution, it is a 44 year old, original brochure of about 16 pages. On the cover you see several 64 model cars with license plates that say '1964'. On the top is a Mustang, but they have it turned sideways. The next couple of pictures are of a trim and upholstery guide. Each Ford dealership was given a couple of these every year in preparation for the new model year to help people see what their new car would look like with a particular trim, upholstery and paint scheme. And in it we have the Mustang section. You will also notice the absence of the fastback body style. Those were not available during the 64 model year, but the coupe and convertible were, even though this car that was built in march or april of 64 had a 65 title.
To summarize, clearly Ford was building and selling Mustangs during the 64 model year and these cars have numerous distinct differences from the cars built and sold for the regular 65 model year. That's why folks keep arguing about it. There is no clear-cut right or wrong answer. It just depends on how heavily you weight 'this' aginst 'that'.
the ONLY reason for the various chages are from the Mustang's parent car ,the falcon, once the parts were used up, the cars were all brought on line with the needed changes,unless they were special cars like henry ford's car.a 64 1/2 with an heavy duty alternator/leather interior.etc
Yes Ken,exactly right and the Fairlane model line was also part of the building of the Mustang
Quote: "that goes C4Z something or other" numbers
Yes, But those are are merely Engineering numbers not PART numbers. (I am still waiting for Veronica to to submit photos of these C4ZZ stamped parts as she states on her Blog)
The engineering numbers stamped on parts were for the various assembly line use not Ford parts departments.
aka: Low volume hand made parts to get by until the retooling for the massive 95 production took shape.
So yes,they were only used to get to the normal 65 production time of August 1964.
I have a massive library of Ford literature that I draw from and a connection to the Ford Motor Company.
BUT, The best resource out there is with "TIME" magazine.
They were allowed to document (with Photographs) the production of the first mustangs
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I'm going to try this one more time, even though I know that I'm shouting down into a dry well. As you quoted, I said C4Z something. Not only have you misread what I wrote, you have also entirely missed the point of why I said that. C means 60s, 4 makes it 64, and Z makes it 64 Mustang. Everyone knows that they all had 65 vins. This is not some secret. I even said that they were titled as 65 model cars. I did NOT say C4ZZ, even though I could have, because there were replacement parts available for 64 1/2-only parts, like the beveled headlight doors. The point was that Ford was building Mustangs with the intention of selling them during the regular 64 model year. A part with a Z for the fourth digit is a replacement part that did not leave the factory attached to a car. If a car has a part on it with the letter Z in the fourth digit spot, that is not an original part for that car. The original part has been replaced with that part.
So, not only are you wrong, but also, your argument is completelt irrelevant to what I said. It's as if I said that Pete Rose is the greatest baseball player that ever lived and you chimed in with " No! You are wrong! Balsa is harder than teak!"
Hi i am stuck on how the whole vin's meaning goes im pretty sure i have a 65 but i think i have a 64 engine code. The vin is 5F07c263405 great posts by the way.
Engines and their parts back then were usually designed for Ford Fairlanes or Galaxies and with the 289 being developed years before 1965 the engineering numbers cast into the block,heads,manifolds would appear OLDER than the actual car.
The DATE of Casting code will usually appear within 6-10 weeks of the car being built but have an OLDER engineering number.
The suffix to these casting numbers shows the changes that have been made to this original design.
That's why your engine would appear older than your car.
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Hi i am stuck on how the whole vin's meaning goes im pretty sure i have a 65 but i think i have a 64 engine code. The vin is 5F07c263405 great posts by the way.
Hello. Your car should have had a scheduled production date of about august 15th of 64. As a result of that, all of the date codes on parts of your car will be right around there. Just like how the 09 year model cars started being sold in the late summer of 08. There won't be any 09 date codes on a car built and sold in the fall of 08. Your car would have actually been completed two or three weeks after that august 15th date, so, parts with date codes in late august or even early september of 64 are almost certainly original for your car. The vin of your car is a bit high to be considered a 64 1/2, though. The generally accepted cut-off for that on Dearborn cars is at 5F0XX250000. Lower than that is a 64 1/2, higher is a 65.
[quote=Veronica;1507974]I'm going to try this one more time, even though I know that I'm shouting down into a dry well. As you quoted, I said C4Z something. Not only have you misread what I wrote, you have also entirely missed the point of why I said that. C means 60s, 4 makes it 64, and Z makes it 64 Mustang. Everyone knows that they all had 65 vins. This is not some secret. I even said that they were titled as 65 model cars. I did NOT say C4ZZ, even though I could have, because there were replacement parts available for 64 1/2-only parts, like the beveled headlight doors. The point was that Ford was building Mustangs with the intention of selling them during the regular 64 model year. A part with a Z for the fourth digit is a replacement part that did not leave the factory attached to a car. If a car has a part on it with the letter Z in the fourth digit spot, that is not an original part for that car. The original part has been replaced with that part.
Ford never intended selling a single mustang BEFORE April 17,1965.That was the official launch for the Mustang/remember.417 by 4-17
Ford never intended selling a single mustang BEFORE April 17,1965.That was the official launch for the Mustang/remember.417 by 4-17
Hi again. I'm assuming that this is a typo, and that you meant to say that Ford didn't intend to sell any Mustangs before april 17th of 64, because to say that they somehow built and sold nearly half a million of these things by accident before 4/17/65 wouldn't make any sense at all. If that was a typo, then I don't really see what the point you're trying to make would be.
Is it possible to know the exact day the car rolled off the line based on all the date codes on different parts of the car? The codes on my car range from June 18 to June 23. Makes me wonder exactly how fast they put these cars together, like it took 5 days to get this car all together... or what?
, a title search you say? im sure its been in this state becasue my car has the original black plates, ill call dmv to see if they can send me that title search your talking about. 
If that was a typo, then I don't really see what the point you're trying to make would be. 
