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Exclamation HELP! I need electric/wiring help '67 Mustang

Hi everyone, I am in major need of some help with wiring my '67 Mustang.

Here is what I have.: '67 Mustang coupe, with a freshly rebuilt 351 W (has not even been started yet), a C4 automatic transmission. The car was purchased as a partial project. The paint/body work is done, the interior is done, wheels/tire are done, new motor mounts are done, driveshaft installed, new headers and exhaust installed, new radiator is installed, alternator is installed, power steering pump is installed, and now I need help with engine to get her running.

I know the firing order of a 351W. I have a brand new HEI distributor (came with car), new spark plugs, new spark plug wires, and new battery cables. Additionally, I have a new starter, new alternator, new battery, new radiator and a rebuilt carb. I know which cylinder is the #1 cylinder and I know how to tell if it is TDC. I know the water lines are good, the fuel lines are there (need to be connected), and power steering lines are there.

THIS IS THE ISSUE STOPPING ME FROM STARTING THE CAR:
**What I do not know is how do I determine the #1 plug on the distributor itself? Once I determine this one issue, I can finish the car. Once I get this, I can plug in wires to the correct firing order and prepare to crank engine over.

**Also, although I know it is a HEI distributor, how do I determine whether it has an internal coil or if I need an external coil (either regular coil or electronic coil)?

Can anyone PLEASE help me out here?
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if.....Dizzys in with no plug wires..
turn engine over to tdc on #1 pull cap, look to see where the rotors at, make a line on dizzy housing, install cap,the plug closest to mark should be used as #1 plug wire.Make sure theres ample room to rotate dizzy before making mark.

dizzys out and no idea of rotor oriention..
Need to spin engine around to find tdc on #1cyl. drop dizzy in any where you want #1 plug to be..Most orient it stright to nose of car or one over to drivers side..

So it could be anywhere depending on how you popped the distributor in.

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TIMING

remove number 1 spark plug.

put finger near hole.

jump starter to turn eng over.

stop when you feel air blast from hole.

standing in front of eng, turn it over until it is on tdc. this is tdcc or top dead center compression stroke. the other tdc is tdci for intake stroke.

now as mentioned set your dist how you want. traditionally there is a number one cast into the dist cap. you do not need tp use this. number 1 can be anywhere you want.

look at the rotor and see what wire it is pointing to., this is your current number 1.

the rotor turns counterclockwise.

set distributor si the leading edge of the rotor is just meeting the leading edge of the pin inside.

connect timing lit but not the distributor vacuum advance.

turn eng over and set timing to 10 deg btdc. eng dies not need to run to do this.


NEW ENG START UP

There is a technique to starting new engines to minimize the potential for damage and if it has a std non roller cam the cam must be properly broken in. if your valve spring pressure is too high it might kill the cam during break in. we can give you tips on this if you want. You should also use special engine oil.
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TIMING

remove number 1 spark plug.

put finger near hole.

jump starter to turn eng over.

stop when you feel air blast from hole.

standing in front of eng, turn it over until it is on tdc. this is tdcc or top dead center compression stroke. the other tdc is tdci for intake stroke.

now as mentioned set your dist how you want. traditionally there is a number one cast into the dist cap. you do not need tp use this. number 1 can be anywhere you want.

look at the rotor and see what wire it is pointing to., this is your current number 1.

the rotor turns counterclockwise.

set distributor si the leading edge of the rotor is just meeting the leading edge of the pin inside.

connect timing lit but not the distributor vacuum advance.

turn eng over and set timing to 10 deg btdc. eng dies not need to run to do this.


NEW ENG START UP

There is a technique to starting new engines to minimize the potential for damage and if it has a std non roller cam the cam must be properly broken in. if your valve spring pressure is too high it might kill the cam during break in. we can give you tips on this if you want. You should also use special engine oil.

The problem I have is that no where on the distro or cap is there a mark showing where # 1 should be. That is why I am stumped. I am planning taking what you guys said here and see if I can apply it to "find" the #1 plug ont he carp/distro.
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some plugs have a line or mark as a suggestion for #1 but you can put it anywhere you want. as long as it's at top dead center on compression then set it accordingly .
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See this link: scroll down for 351:

ford mustang engine firing orders | Maine Mustang

Hope this helps,

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So if I am understanding this correctly, since I know which cylinder is #1, I know how to make sure the #1 cylinder is at TDC, and I know the correct firing order for a 351W.

With this knowledge, I set #1 cylinder to TDC, then put in distributor and mark where rotor is pointing to, and the point that is closet to mark should be #1, correct? Then just connect the wires and go from there?

Additionally, with this particular distributor, I think I do not need a coil, would that be an accurate assessment. Here are some pics of the actual distributor and the box it came in. If this is a correct assessment, do I need an ignition system? what do I connect this to (battery, alternator, etc)?
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I think you are spot on. It's been awhile since I did this but I think so.
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yes that is exactly how you do it. Also, your coil is built into the cap of the distributor.
Good luck.

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If you arent happy with the location of where #1 plug is, you can pull the ditributor and stick it back in with the rotor facing the location you would like to have the #1 plug wire. You don't have to pull the distributor all the way out, just enough where you can turn the rotor to where you want it.

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