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Old 01-14-2003   #1 (permalink)
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Question 19, Getting My First Car, Looking for Answers to Questions

Before you read all the way through this post, let me just state that it will be lengthy.


Okay, now that I gave that fair warning, I would like to thank you for continuing, as I've now turned to what I think is that last resort.

I'd like to give you the lowdown on the subject for this thread, to help you better understand my plight.

I'm 19 years old, and in a few months, I'll be getting my first car. As this is a Classic Mustang forum here at AFM, it should be obvious that I'm looking at a Classic Mustang.

Specifically, I'm looking at 1970 to 1973 Mach 1/Fastbacks...


Before we get to the questions, I'd like to give a fairly thorough background.

You see, I'm one of three children, born to loving, caring parents, who raised us with morals and values, tempered by common sense. As all kids have a habit of doing, my sister, brother, and myself all grew up.

And as is the tradition, I suppose more in America than the rest of the world, we all eventually came to the subject of freedom - cars. I like to think of it as the traditional coming-of-age milestone that most all American teens are lucky to experience.

My sister, 23 and the oldest, received her first car - a 1991 Ford Taurus - when she was 17 and we were all still in high school. It was fairly reliable transportation, and didn't cost too much for my parents at the time. She later received a second car - a 1989 Chevy Blazer - for transportation to college. Although my parents were making much better money at this time, she rushed the process, and got the above vehicle.

My brother on the other hand...oh dear. When he was 16, he began asking for a license. My parents, due to previous unauthorized "test drives" of the family van and his general attitude, declined the request. He bypassed them and to their dismay attained his license with the help of a friend's mom.

Still not deeming him responsible, but always patient, they decided to give him a second chance. He recieved a 1993 or 1994 Chevy Cavalier at the age of 17, and proceeded to blow the engine after nearly colliding with a government-tagged van towing a long, sharp nosed, three finned metalic casing with the "name" SAM in bold red letters.

Remind me to tell you that story later, if enough of you want to hear it

After much "we knew you weren't ready" from the parents and "you never really trusted me!" from my brother, they, in their infinite kindness (perhaps too infinite) gave him a THIRD chance. They bestowed upon him my father's old work truck - a 1995 Chevy Silverado. He drove it for only 2 short months before promptly siezing the engine from lack of oil - it has since been sold.

The kindness stopped, no fourth chance, and now he's learning that parents, while sometimes stiff-handed, are most always right. At least ours were.

Anyway, down to the point

I, now at the age of 19, have finally asked for my first car. Why didn't I get it earlier, you may be asking? Well, my sister or brother having transportation, or mother and father being able to take me where I needed to go, I never saw the need in another vehicle in the driveway.

I also knew that the money could go to better places. Although my folks now pull in an average of 100k for the past 4 1/2 years (Professional Truck Drivers), were weren't always so well off.

So I waited, and waited, patient in my decision. Now, as I prepare for a career as a Licensed Practical Nurse / Medical Technician, I have the need for transportation - and due to my patience, my parents have left my decision of vehicles pretty much up to me.

While my brother and sister never truly gained their trust, I have the right to most any vehicle - from throaty muscle cars, to SOME new cars (I've got a budget of roughly 15k), to sleek and fast sports cars.

After MUCH research on various sites, and limited real world viewings, I settled on a muscle car, and specifically the 1970 to 1973 Mach 1 Mustangs. I've fallen in love with the history, the shape and the soul of the car.

Just one problem...

I'm a big guy. Overweight, but not fat. I'm 6 foot 5 inches, and weigh in at about 400. In high school, my nickname was Tree. From 25 inch wide shoulders (across the back, not all the way around), a 60 inch chest, and size 18 feet, the high school coaches begged me to join football (I live in a small NE KY town). When you can squat 600 pounds, you get attention. I'm not huge and muscular, veins popping out, but I'm not skinny by any means either.

So, my questions, my worries, my one problem come down to this - will I fit in the car of my dreams?

I have scoured the internet, even contacted FoMoCo themselves, and have yet to gain information regarding internal measurements. You can find them on today's cars, but I'm not sure if that was a standard thing in the 70s.

So I ask those of you who know about these cars, especially those of you who own them, to help me find out if my dream is realistic, or is it crushed. For information, I've been losing some of my gut, and have talked with my doctor about implementing a rigorous fitness plan to shed excessive weight - but I'm told that my general dimensions won't decrease too much.

The information I'm looking for ranges from actual internal measurements (break out those tape measures), to personal experience. Anything that can help me determine where I stand, and if I can sit!

To sum this all up - I'm say again - I'm looking at the 1970 to 1973 Mach 1 / Fastback Mustangs.

I'd like to thank you for reading this quite lengthy post, and look forward to all of your responses. Help this 19 year old kid decide if his dream is possible.

Sincerely,

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Old 01-15-2003   #2 (permalink)
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Default Thank you FoMoCo

I wanted to post this as a seperate reply rather than editing the first message.

I had emailed Ford Motor Company a few days ago, asking the same questions about size and interior measurements. They gladly supplied this information after researching.

I'll post the information below, just in case others are curious or are wanting to know.

1970 Mustangs (all) -

Front Compartment
Headroom 37.3",
Leg room 40.1"
Hip room 55.6"
Shoulder room 56.0"


1971 Mustangs (all) -

Front Compartment
Headroom 37.7"
Leg room 41.3"
Hip room 55.5"
Shoulder room 56.1"

1972 Mustangs -

Front Compartment
Headroom
Hardtop 37.2",
Convertible 37.7"
Sportsroof 37.0.

Leg Room
41.7" for Hardtopand and Sportsroof
41.3" for Convertibles

Hip Room
55.7" for Hardtop
55.5" for Convertible
55.6" for Sportsroof

Shoulder room
56.1" for all three models.


1973 Mustangs

Front Compartment
Headroom
Hardtop 37.2",
Convertible 37.7"
Sportsroof 37.0"

Leg Room
41.7" for Hardtop and Sportsroof
41.2" for Convertible

Hip Room
55.7" for Hardtop and Convertible
55.5 for Sportsroof

Shoulder Room
56.1" for all three
models.
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Old 01-15-2003   #3 (permalink)
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I would think you would fit I own a 67 mustang and they are a little smaller than the 70-73's I had to adjust the mounts on the seat back a little farther (I’m 6'4") no biggy.. If you can fit in any modern car you can fit in your dream car
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I would look at the 71-73, they have more room, and the seat frame is a little stronger
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You shouldn't have any problems, I'm 6'2" and 295 lbs., and I fit in a 72 fastback just fine... just didn't want it as bad as I wanted the 75 Thunderbird down the road. If you discover that even a 71-73 Mustang is too tight a fit, you might consider a 71-76 Thunderbird, they were big luxury sports cars, with enough room that my whole family (and we're ALL big) fit comfortably... If you get a 71-72, they're the sportiest of that generation, and have the most horsepower from their 429s.

My next project is likely to be a 71-73, I've always liked them, and they're big enough for big boys such as myself to ride in comfort.
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Let me be candid with you in respect to early Mustangs and classic cars in general. They are mostly toys for rich boys and other automotive nut cases. They are not basic transportation like they once were. Some will argue this isn't true and they love their Mustang and wouldn't trade it for any other car. Note that neither would Honda owners, or Toyota owners or Mitsubishi owners.

Here's the deal and why I'm telling you to forget it for now. Classic cars are inferior daily transportation in every respect to modern cars. They are great show cars, weekend cars, cruising machines and just showing off cars. Most don't have modern steering, brakes, comfort, safety levels, etc. Most cost more to operate.

The last thing you want while you're in college is a car that nags you for attention. It wants tune ups, expensive new parts, etc. It frequently leaves you stranded and late for class because its temperamental and doesn't want to start and run on cold days. Can you work around these shortfalls. Yes, but the answer is money. Don't have money and lots of it? Well, then do you own a well equipped garage and have a complete set of tools? If you don't have these things or money as a student? Then my advice is a clean late model transportation car. Yes, a rice burner (Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi) or a economy model American car like a Contour, Escort or Neon. Get your parents to pop for a new one and sign a promissary note to pay them back once you get that college education.

Once you're a rich doctor, lawyer or indian chief, you can spend some of your annual bonus on a couple of nice European cars, Mercedes, a Beamer, and on a classic Shelby GT 350. Think this is funny or untrue? Ask my old high school buddy who has all these nice cars, a Porshe, a Jaguar and a nice GT350. He's also on his fourth wife. He's a dentist in Los Angeles!

Bottom line is you have to be practical while in college because school is a rat race. You're always at the beck and call of some (many) horse's rear(s) who thinks he's/she's/they're twice as smart as he/she/they're actually is/are. If you have endurance and fortitute and can last four long years as a plebe then you get a pedigree placing you in the upper social caste of America! Once you have this pedigree, and if you've learned anything during your four years, you'll likely succeed in life and be able to afford better toys. Meanwhile, be practical and select the least complicated form of transportation. Your future wife will love that little Contour you had while you were on your first date!

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Yea, after reading what Jeff had to say, maybe a late model is for you.
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I disagree with the late model conformist car concept. What better time to learn the automotive responsibilities of a classic car than @ 19? It's the kind of experience that will shape a person for the rest of their lives. The results of this experience will determine whether or not he will be a classic car guy or a modern conformist. When did you all start tinkering? My initiation was at 16. Although I will never again own a 65 Chevy Bel-Air or 72 Datsun B510 and consider my relationships with those vehicles as antagonistic and frustrating, I will forever demand a vehicle with character. Now my 69 Mustang parks next to my 68 International 1200C 4x4 pick-up truck and my dream is realized. I can easily afford a nice new car (even a German one), but hate the idea of being just another car on the road. At 19, this young, articulate, patient, and thoughtful big kid should be driving a car that turns all those nurses heads when driving into the parking lot. I have no doubt that whatever classic car nightmare might be lurking under the hood of his dream car, he will have the gumption and wherewithal to confront it and turn it into a positive experience. Good luck!

Another aside:

My X grew up in Europe and didn't learn to drive until 5 years ago. I got her a 64 Plymouth Valiant, thinking it was a cheap ($1000) reliable beater for her to learn in. Well, 2 years with the Valiant drove me crazy. I was working on the damn thing every weekend. Then she reluctantly had to learn the classic car syndrome on her own for the past 3 years. Finally frustrated with juggling rides and trips to the mechanic, she succumbed to her co-workers' suggestion of buying a newer car. She now owns a 98 Toyota 4-runner that set her $20k back. She hates it. She sees 30 of them on the way to work and detests the anonymity. Now she drives the Valiant to work and uses the Toyo as the reliable back-up vehicle.

The morals to the story:
driving a classic car builds character (irreversible)
check out possible classic buys CAREFULLY, be fully informed about its
condition and prepare ($) yourself for worst case scenarios
do not buy a classic car that is not worth putting money into (we dumped about $5000 into the Valiant over 5 years and in perfect condition it is worth only $4000 - it's still a beater with problems)
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The best reason to buy a car is that you want one every time I have bought a car because it was the sensible /responsible thing to do I have ended up regreting it and hating the car hence the car didn't get the TLC it should have its market value declined and cost me money when I finally came to my sences and unloaded it.But go in with your eyes open Clasic cars can cost money as over the years things can and will go wrong but if you are mechanicly inclined you can fix most things yourself unlike some more modern cars where you need a degree in electrical engineering and some psyhic abilities to work out what the he11 does what.
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" I disagree with the late model conformist car concept. What better time to learn the automotive responsibilities of a classic car than @ 19?"

There's nothing wrong with learning the automotive trade at 19. Its a complex trade now and there are many things to learn to get certified. It is a worthy goal. Owning a classic car can be part of that learning experience.

However, when your goal is education as a professional, doctor, lawyer, engineer or whatever then the astute thing is not to let anything stand in your way from completion of the goal. Owning a classic car and maintaining it is likely not part of that learning experience.
Hence, any effort put into automotive know how is a waste of time at that time in life. Every year you lose in pursuit of a hobby when your should be pursuing your education is lost time. You can NEVER make up time.

Focus is the key. Maintain focus on your goal and everything else should fit into achieveing it. I somehow doubt learning auto mechanics is going to help you much as a doctor or lawyer. However, every doctor or lawyer I know has no problem finding and owning nice cars.
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Hi, I think your question about 'fit' was a good 1. My suggestion is, find one for sale and sit in it. My husband hates having to move my 73 convertible, due to his fit...he's 6'1" and 320lbs.... built like a wrestler, as you seem to describe yourself. Good luck, I understand your passion!
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Only problem i see what you fitting in one is your feet.Im 6'2 260lbs i fit fine in every year made mustang some leg room was tight but with a smaller steering wheel with power steering you'll get some knee room.All i can tell you is try a mustang club close to you see if one of there members will let you sit in there car maybe drive it.
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Hello. You guys do realize that the 19 year old that started this thread is now a 24 year old that graduated from college a couple of years ago, don't you?
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You really are sharp! I alway forget to check that as well as it seems do a lot others.
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