I do understand that some places don't have drag strips unless they're hours away. Let's be real, people are going to race. What good is a 300Hp car if you're only going to use half of that?
That still doesn't make it RIGHT. It just means that maybe you and your buddies need to get together and fight the good ol' guv'ment to get a drag strip near you.
I have a drag strip that is only 10-15 minutes away, I also have a nice road course in Tulsa that I can go to that is about an hour and a half away from me.
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My cousin didnt make a choice to die, he made a choice to go have fun, nor did he ask for someone to break the rules and blow thru the pits and kill him, just like the ppl on the sidewalk didnt make that decision either, that has to be the dumbest statement that I think Ive heard someone say, NO ONE makes a decision to die, are you kidding me????
I can't speak for PLStang, but what I think he was refering to was that your cousin had a choice to be at the track period. You and all of us have all agreed that the track can be dangerous. Just because there are rules doesn't mean there will be that one jerk that breaks them.
About the abandoned road that you use as a track... Ok, lets say NO ONE travels down that road even cops. What about the other guys that are street racing? Where are they? Are they safely behind a barrier like a real track has? That barrier isn't 100% safe but I bet it has saved a bunch of lives.
Let's even forget about the innocent motorists, and just talk about the safety of you and the other "street racers"...
We have all agreed that they are both dangerous, and like I said, you're the one with the lightning rod...
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The one thing I don't understand is that you keep talking about the accident that killed your cousin...
He was killed in the pits at a drag strip because of someone's stupid decision.... It keeps sounding like your jusifying street racing because of that accident. Which makes no sense.
I'll revert to what my parents always told me... "two wrongs don't make a right".
Now, I'm not there at the piece of assphault that you race on, so I don't know how "unsafe" you're really being. But drag strips have rules and standards as well as safety precautions such as walls fences and technical inspections. And I know you and your buddies don't inspect your cars like you should, and if you do, what makes you any better than that "toofless tech guy"?
Also, YouTube is not a creditable source for debate. (LoL I DID learn something in my one semester of debate class! ) just because there are this many youtube videos of drag strip crashes and this many street crashes means ZERO. Sorry...
I bet if you tried hard enough, you could get some facts on street racing vs. drag stips...
Oh yeah, street racing is defined as "a form of unsanctioned and illegal auto racing which takes place on public roads"
My point to this is, you ARE racing on public roads. And any abandoned road that isn't being taken care of by the city isn't fit for ANY kind of racing.
No actually Im not justifying street racing with his death, all Im saying is its those rules and regulations at the track that were broken and got him killed, the danger is the same when rules/laws are broken. Once again, I stress that the tracks here have no safe barriers, no Emergency Medical and they are owned by mom and pop, and I would even drive my 4 wheeler on them, as for the pieces of asphalt that we race on they are in very good shape(much better than the tracks around here) as for me and my buddies not maintaining our cars properly, thats total misconception as well, I never have and I never will drive an unsafe vehicle, period, nor will I race one. My car is very well maintained as are all of my vehicles, and so will my 3 new project rides, 64 1/2 stang, 86 notch, and 85 bronco. All will recieve frame off restoration before a drivetrain will ever see them, they will also recieve all poly bushings and all new suspension. Apparently you must think that your talking to an idiot kid, but your not, I myself am a college graduate and have 2 bachelors, an associates, and I am currently in school now to get a certificate in Auto Body. Please lets not make that mistake again, it would be appreciated.
I tried to read most of the posts, but just skimmed through them as they tended to repeat themselves. Deuce Coupe, by arguing that street racing is more safe than track racing.........you are only showing that you are attempting to get people to "join your cause" & you have seen that the majority on here do not support your way of thinking.
I've worked numerous vehicle accidents in my career & have delivered death notifications to family members, telling them that their loved one won't be home ever again. There have been times that those deaths have occurred due to no fault of their own, but to the fact that someone was acting stupid, speeding, racing, etc.. I could really care less if someone goes out & kills themself for acting stupid like that, but the only way to insure the safety of the innocent other people on the road is to completely shut down the road you're racing on & place barriers of some sort around the course to protect bystanders..........wait, that sounds like a controlled track doesn't it. Attempting to use one tragic incident is like the people that say they don't wear a seatbelt because of a handful of incidents where the seatbelt may have caused a death.
Other people make the comment that they don't want to "bash" you or bust your balls, but as a person who has seen first hand what the ramifications of street racing can be, I don't have a problem at all telling you that if you honestly think that street racing is safer than at a controlled strip, then you need to have your license pulled so you're not able to put others in danger.
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I can't speak for PLStang, but what I think he was refering to was that your cousin had a choice to be at the track period. You and all of us have all agreed that the track can be dangerous. Just because there are rules doesn't mean there will be that one jerk that breaks them.
About the abandoned road that you use as a track... Ok, lets say NO ONE travels down that road even cops. What about the other guys that are street racing? Where are they? Are they safely behind a barrier like a real track has? That barrier isn't 100% safe but I bet it has saved a bunch of lives.
Let's even forget about the innocent motorists, and just talk about the safety of you and the other "street racers"...
We have all agreed that they are both dangerous, and like I said, you're the one with the lightning rod...
Well you are right about the roads that we use, there are no safe barriers, just like the tracks around here( unless a chainlink fence is considered that these days? ) as for the roads that we use, we keep them maintained because we are allowed to use them and we also have some concrete road dividers that we just were given and we will be renting a track hoe to take them and put them in place, although they will be placed behind the burnout box that we have made, they will be in place to keep ppl behind them for safety, alas these were donated by the states road dept because we told them what we wanted them for and their director told us he was happy that to do that for us because he was glad that we decided to race there and not on main street and the only ones in danger was us, no pedestrians or innocent bystanders. By the way, whats the difference in my buddies coming out to our spot and racing than going to the track and getting hurt, they made that decision right, to back to the point I made earlier, no one makes a decision to die as someone elses negligence, regardless where its at, period. This is what you guys have been saying all along that since my cousin was at the track he made consious decision to die, so if we arent endangering anyone that doesnt know what we are doing one of gets killed then its different even tho we made the choice to be there?? Thats crazy!
I tried to read most of the posts, but just skimmed through them as they tended to repeat themselves. Deuce Coupe, by arguing that street racing is more safe than track racing.........you are only showing that you are attempting to get people to "join your cause" & you have seen that the majority on here do not support your way of thinking.
I've worked numerous vehicle accidents in my career & have delivered death notifications to family members, telling them that their loved one won't be home ever again. There have been times that those deaths have occurred due to no fault of their own, but to the fact that someone was acting stupid, speeding, racing, etc.. I could really care less if someone goes out & kills themself for acting stupid like that, but the only way to insure the safety of the innocent other people on the road is to completely shut down the road you're racing on & place barriers of some sort around the course to protect bystanders..........wait, that sounds like a controlled track doesn't it. Attempting to use one tragic incident is like the people that say they don't wear a seatbelt because of a handful of incidents where the seatbelt may have caused a death.
Other people make the comment that they don't want to "bash" you or bust your balls, but as a person who has seen first hand what the ramifications of street racing can be, I don't have a problem at all telling you that if you honestly think that street racing is safer than at a controlled strip, then you need to have your license pulled so you're not able to put others in danger.
Very true and I think you guys are misunderstanding what Im saying, I dont condone anyone racing on busy city streets, nor would I ever, and what I have been argueing from the first post want that street racing isnt illegal nor did I say it want dangerous, and tes I agree that organized street racing is a bad thing, but what we do and where we are there is no one there that hasnt made the choice to be, and no one that hasnt made that choice cant even get on the property, as for an organized track, come here and look at our tracks and look at what my buddies and I have going on and I would 100% say that you would understand what we do is safer and better maintained than the local tracks. We looked for places to race for a long time until we found this one and this is how my buddy that owns the property and I actually became friends, He was tired of tearing his car up on the crappy tracks, and I was tired of seeing ppl in so much danger that we did our own thing, and now its going good, and no one has been hurt since we found this little strip 3 years ago, and the local tracks have a less than stellar record than that, 1 guy who cant drive anymore because hes in a wheelcrair, 2 deaths, and several accidents. Im not down for getting hurt or hurting other ppl, maybe thats where we are all misunderstanding each other. I as well as my friends have found a place that the police are ok with and where we can run off anyone who is unsafe and we all have a good time, and we all go home at the end of the night, safely without causing harm to anyone else as well.
Read that again, I also said that the street racers have the choice not to race. .
See that's what I'm talking about you don't care about anyone but yourself. All you are concerned about is your choice. You don't care if anyone else gets one. You don't get it.
I hate to say this but your no better then the guy that killed your brother. He broke the rules (speeding in the pit, is what you said I believe) and because of it he caused someones death. You are willing to do the same, your willing to break the law and put someone at risk.
Unfortunately that makes you no better then him.
You can spin that anyway you want, it still comes back to the same truth.
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ACCOKEEK, Md. - A car plowed into a group of street-racing fans obscured by a cloud of tire smoke on a highway Saturday, killing eight people and scattering bodies in the early morning darkness.
At least six others were injured in the gruesome wreck along a flat, isolated stretch of highway about 20 miles south of Washington known for illegal races.
Witnesses said about 50 people were gathered before dawn along Route 210 as two car spun their wheels, kicked up smoke and sped off, said Prince George's County police Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark roadway to watch the cars drive away when a white Ford Crown Victoria unexpectedly came up from behind and smashed into them.
"There were just bodies everywhere; it was horrible," said Crystal Gaines, 27, of Indian Head, whose father was killed.
Police interviewed the Crown Victoria driver, but no charges were pending, Copeland said. Authorities were looking for the drivers of the two cars involved in the race.
The combination of the smoke and the dark morning likely meant the unsuspecting driver could not see the crowd, police said. A tractor-trailer that came by shortly afterward may also have struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene, according to investigators.
The Crown Victoria, which had a crumpled hood and a partially collapsed roof, ended up down an embankment with one of the victims lodged inside.
Bodies covered by white sheets lay in the road and on the shoulder across a 50-foot stretch of the road later Saturday morning before they were removed by the medical examiner.
Shoes were strewn about in the grass, and pair of dark skid marks scarred the highway.
"It's probably one of the worst scenes I've seen," Copeland said. "This is a situation that could have been avoided, and it's a very tragic situation."
About 50 people were watching the race, Gaines said, and she saw the Crown Victoria approach without its lights on. She grabbed her daughter, pulling the girl to safety. But her father, William Gaines Sr., 61, had a broken leg, and was not able to get away in time. Afterward, she found his body on the road.
"He wasn't breathing; he wasn't moving," Gaines said. "His body was in pieces."
Her brother, William Gaines Jr., was also there. The car came through so fast that "it just ripped people apart," he said.
"I didn't even see the car. All I heard was stuff breaking," he said.
Police could not confirm whether the car that struck the crowd had its lights on.
The victims' ages ranged from their 20s to 60s, police said. Seven people were pronounced dead at the scene, and an eighth died later at a hospital. Police said a body found in the car was one of the spectators and not a passenger, as they had previously assumed.
Route 210 is a thoroughfare with two lanes in each direction and traffic lights about every 150 to 200 yards. The road is flanked by some businesses but has little traffic in the early morning, Copeland said. The speed limit is 55 miles per hour.
John Courtney said his brother, Mark, 33, of St. Mary's County, also was among the dead. He identified his brother from a digital image police had taken.
"He liked going to the race track, watching races," Courtney said. "It's going to take a toll on my family for a long time."
Marion Neal feared her 42-year-old brother was among the dead and was awaiting images from the police.
"It's a tragedy," she said. "I don't like racing, but that was his hobby."
Police said that street races are not uncommon on the stretch of road, but that most occur in the summer and involve motorcycles. But relatives said some of the victims often went to see races held late at night on isolated stretches of road.
"It's a problem," said Denee Hines, whose mother owns a hair salon only a few hundred feet from the site of the accident. "Everyone knows about it, but I've never heard of it getting this bad." - AP
The driver was not even involved in the race, he was just driving home.
He ended up with a dead spectator in the car with him.
This is going to mentally scar him for life!
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See that's what I'm talking about you don't care about anyone but yourself. All you are concerned about is your choice. You don't care if anyone else gets one. You don't get it.
I hate to say this but your no better then the guy that killed your brother. He broke the rules (speeding in the pit, is what you said I believe) and because of it he caused someones death. You are willing to do the same, your willing to break the law and put someone at risk.
Unfortunately that makes you no better then him.
You can spin that anyway you want, it still comes back to the same truth.
I dont care??? Have you been reading anything that Ive written or have you just been imagining things that you think I said in your head?? Did you miss that part where I said that I dont condone racing on the main roads where ppl are? Or did you miss the part where I said that we dont race on the streets where there are ppl walking or any possibility of a motorist coming along? What part of that did you convieniently miss?? Maybe you just have a problem understanding that a "street race" can be in a controlled enviornment where ppl actually care about others well being, like I said, the roads that we race on are abandoned, and where I come from abandoned means just that, not the occasional passerby, not the light traffic scenario that you hear about, this place that we race is the closest thing to a track you will find and better than some, and apparently we arent causing too many problems because the police are all for us being out there off the main streets and not racing down main street. Maybe you just dont have a understanding of what Im talking about, where we race we could actually charge admission if we wanted, but that would mean we would be open to the public and have to let the pulic in, this way, the racers of our town thats all about not putting peoples lives in danger come to our place, not to the track and that is sad in itself that we care more about "YOU" than the local tracks do. WE dont race down the street you live on, nor do we put anyone other than ourselves in harms way, and definately no more than anyone going to a race track. Miscontrue what what you will, I really dont care that you judge me because first you have no idea where we race, nor have you seen the place Im talking about, and if the police think ita a great idea then that should mean that the public has no worries what so ever, lastly, exactly who are you to say that I am no better than the guy that killed my cousin?? You are truly an idiot, who would say something like that except for some retard that doesnt have a clue what they are talking about?? Im sorry that you obviously missed the part about us not racing on the streets but old abandoned pieces of road and that I have harsh feeling about the tracks that you think are so great but only an idiot that would organize a street race on a busy highway would say something stupid like that! You sound like someone who would actually be the guy that killed my cousin, its ok to kill someone because you broke the rules at the track but if you break the rules on the highway and kill someone you are somehow worse than that guy that kills someone at a track?? Dude, breaking the rules/law is the same thing, and if you break them and kill someone you are no better than the next man, and to say its ok at a track and not on the streets, you are the one who is no better, break the rules and kill someone, you are the same no matter where you are. Geez man have ya lost your mind????
ACCOKEEK, Md. - A car plowed into a group of street-racing fans obscured by a cloud of tire smoke on a highway Saturday, killing eight people and scattering bodies in the early morning darkness.
At least six others were injured in the gruesome wreck along a flat, isolated stretch of highway about 20 miles south of Washington known for illegal races.
Witnesses said about 50 people were gathered before dawn along Route 210 as two car spun their wheels, kicked up smoke and sped off, said Prince George's County police Cpl. Clinton Copeland.
Fans had spilled onto the smoky, dark roadway to watch the cars drive away when a white Ford Crown Victoria unexpectedly came up from behind and smashed into them.
"There were just bodies everywhere; it was horrible," said Crystal Gaines, 27, of Indian Head, whose father was killed.
Police interviewed the Crown Victoria driver, but no charges were pending, Copeland said. Authorities were looking for the drivers of the two cars involved in the race.
The combination of the smoke and the dark morning likely meant the unsuspecting driver could not see the crowd, police said. A tractor-trailer that came by shortly afterward may also have struck someone on the roadside as it tried to avoid the crash scene, according to investigators.
The Crown Victoria, which had a crumpled hood and a partially collapsed roof, ended up down an embankment with one of the victims lodged inside.
Bodies covered by white sheets lay in the road and on the shoulder across a 50-foot stretch of the road later Saturday morning before they were removed by the medical examiner.
Shoes were strewn about in the grass, and pair of dark skid marks scarred the highway.
"It's probably one of the worst scenes I've seen," Copeland said. "This is a situation that could have been avoided, and it's a very tragic situation."
About 50 people were watching the race, Gaines said, and she saw the Crown Victoria approach without its lights on. She grabbed her daughter, pulling the girl to safety. But her father, William Gaines Sr., 61, had a broken leg, and was not able to get away in time. Afterward, she found his body on the road.
"He wasn't breathing; he wasn't moving," Gaines said. "His body was in pieces."
Her brother, William Gaines Jr., was also there. The car came through so fast that "it just ripped people apart," he said.
"I didn't even see the car. All I heard was stuff breaking," he said.
Police could not confirm whether the car that struck the crowd had its lights on.
The victims' ages ranged from their 20s to 60s, police said. Seven people were pronounced dead at the scene, and an eighth died later at a hospital. Police said a body found in the car was one of the spectators and not a passenger, as they had previously assumed.
Route 210 is a thoroughfare with two lanes in each direction and traffic lights about every 150 to 200 yards. The road is flanked by some businesses but has little traffic in the early morning, Copeland said. The speed limit is 55 miles per hour.
John Courtney said his brother, Mark, 33, of St. Mary's County, also was among the dead. He identified his brother from a digital image police had taken.
"He liked going to the race track, watching races," Courtney said. "It's going to take a toll on my family for a long time."
Marion Neal feared her 42-year-old brother was among the dead and was awaiting images from the police.
"It's a tragedy," she said. "I don't like racing, but that was his hobby."
Police said that street races are not uncommon on the stretch of road, but that most occur in the summer and involve motorcycles. But relatives said some of the victims often went to see races held late at night on isolated stretches of road.
"It's a problem," said Denee Hines, whose mother owns a hair salon only a few hundred feet from the site of the accident. "Everyone knows about it, but I've never heard of it getting this bad." - AP
The driver was not even involved in the race, he was just driving home.
He ended up with a dead spectator in the car with him.
This is going to mentally scar him for life!
Well its obvious that you didnt bother reading what I wrote either, first off, we dont race on a "traveled" highway, but on a piece of road that has no beginning and no end, what I mean by this is that it was chopped off when the new interstate was put in and there is no way a person can get onto it unless they go through my buddies driveway, secondly, this story isnt the racers fault, although I agree they are idiots for being in the middle of the road, the car coming down the road that had no headlights on is to blame, the reason that I say this is the fact that it wouldnt have mattered who was on the road, me, you, a stranded motorist or someone walking, but it wouldnt have mattered because late at night with no headlights on they couldnt have seen whoever was in the road anyway, so it was both parties fault. Thats clear to see and I know everyone will say well if the racers hadnt been there it wouldnt have happened, but what if it were a stranded motorist i guess it would be their fault for breaking down on the side of the road?? No, not at all, it then would be the fault of the motorist with no headlights on. Its unfortuneate that it happened, but at the same time theres more to fault than just street racing. Like I have said over and over again just because you street race doesnt mean that you are running down main street acting like a crazed maniac, we dont, instead we have a piece of road that is no longer used that the cops are ok with and they come out from time to time to check on us to make sure everyone is ok, its not like all of you are picturing where there are businesses and motorists and all, it is just what I said, abandoned. Look the word up in the dictionary, abandoned doesnt mean lightly traveled. Sorry to disappoint guys, but you can call it what you want.
If you guys have found an abandoned road that you like to race on, why not make it safe like a track (ex. barriers, fences, etc...) I see what you are arguing for and it does make sense in its own way, but the facts are street racing is illegal, on an abandoned road or not. If you think it is much safer to race their, you and your friends should take the necessary precautions and basically make it your own track. That way it is safer. It may cost you guys some extra cash, but whats worth more your life (or someone elses life) or some cash to make your place safe. You and your friends already know you could get hurt which is the same attitude anyone should take to a track, but the chances of someone getting hurt in a street race are greater than at a track.
You said you looked on youtube for proof. If you google street racing incidents and drag racing incidents I would be willing to bet you would find that more people get hurt or killed through street racing.
What I'm trying to say is, if your tracks are so unsafe, why not make your own safe place? ya know? I mean we aren't going to change your mind, or your friends minds, so I think it would the best to put up barriers and protect anyone watching (just like any real track would) Hell if there are so many abandoned roads around you guys should talk to someone about building a track near you. In the end I believe tracks are safer and if there are injuries the people there should know that it can happen at any time.
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If you guys have found an abandoned road that you like to race on, why not make it safe like a track (ex. barriers, fences, etc...) I see what you are arguing for and it does make sense in its own way, but the facts are street racing is illegal, on an abandoned road or not. If you think it is much safer to race their, you and your friends should take the necessary precautions and basically make it your own track. That way it is safer. It may cost you guys some extra cash, but whats worth more your life (or someone elses life) or some cash to make your place safe. You and your friends already know you could get hurt which is the same attitude anyone should take to a track, but the chances of someone getting hurt in a street race are greater than at a track.
You said you looked on youtube for proof. If you google street racing incidents and drag racing incidents I would be willing to bet you would find that more people get hurt or killed through street racing.
What I'm trying to say is, if your tracks are so unsafe, why not make your own safe place? ya know? I mean we aren't going to change your mind, or your friends minds, so I think it would the best to put up barriers and protect anyone watching (just like any real track would) Hell if there are so many abandoned roads around you guys should talk to someone about building a track near you. In the end I believe tracks are safer and if there are injuries the people there should know that it can happen at any time.
Thanks for the words of encouragement, and look back a few posts, I have already said that we had the State highway commissioner to donate some concrete barriers. We also maintain the strip of asphalt that we race on, and we have several things in place that ensures the safety of those involved, such as no one races unless either my girlfriend is there or our buddy Matt who is also a RN like my girlfriend, No one is allowed past a certian point near the track and that is what we are going to use the concrete barriers to enforce and my buddies family grows corn so we use 50 feet of corn on both sides of the track to cusion any accidents that may happen also no one races without at least a 5 point harness and a 6 point cage made of schedule 40 tubing, period. We are also looking into building barriers, but it costs money and the insurance is pretty high on a privately owned track, that is another reason no one races without the proper safety equipment. Everyones car is well maitained and no one will race if theres a noticable problem that we find after checking the car ourselves. The most dangerous place on our little personal street is the person flagging us and its either myself or my buddy whos family that owns the property this sets on, therefore no one is in iminent danger except the 2 of us resposible for the use of this little strip. I know what you guys are defending and saying, but I also know that where I race is plenty safe and is getting better everyday. Also about the comment that you made about us needing to get a lil piece of the abandoned roads here and make our own tracks, we have been working on getting the city to do this, but its politics and we all know how slow that is. Anyway, thanks for being someone that actually read what I was writing and actually got past Street in the racing part. Not everyone is oblivious to what we are doing. Yes I agree with you the way we are racing is more dangerous than at a good track that is well maintained, but the arguement all along was our lil strip and the local tracks, and apparently you are the only one to figure out what the heck I was actually saying. Thanks. Its good to know that there is someone who actually understands someone trying to do right with what they have to work with. Not once did I condone street racing, and said numerous times that I dont condone it, but in our lil place I dont see a problem with it, other than our own risk and we know our danger and do everything to protect ourselves the best we can for now, and just so everyone knows, WE have never raced where there was a possibility of someone getting hurt, No Reggie, I dont race down your street at 3 am, thats not who I am, and I you guys wouldve understood what you were reading then you wouldve got that. We call it street racing because its on an old road and its not a track so what else could it be called. The one thing is that we dont hide what we do, not from the police, our friends, or our families because we are doing nothing wrong as you choose to call it. I would be happy to show ya that its not what you are calling street racing if ya wanna come take a look, But Im sure you wouldnt because your blinded by your beliefs, and thats ok, but its not ok to judge others for what you consider as one thing and think that we do, because first off you dont know me and secondly you have no idea how we take care of things on our strip and how well maintained it is, I will say this the asphalt is only about 4 years old and has no ruts, no pot holes, and no cracks, better than I can say for some of your beloved sactioned tracks. I said street race and you guys blew up and didnt even read anything that I wrote, just skimmed thru and thought you caught me saying stuff but you were leaving out parts of the quote trying to make me look bad sor trying to do something positive and keep my friends off the streets where "you" live and keep you safe. We will not race that way ever, not when it puts innocent people at risk, we know the dangers for us and were happy taking our chance under our own thumb and not that of a crappy local track that is in worse shape than where we race. We are fortunate to have this lil place and fortunate that the police support us and us not being out on the streets that people drive on racing. The police also understand that if we didnt have this place that for some racing on their street would be an option, not us, but it could happen and they have alot of trouble with the ricers doing so. We stay out of their face and do all that we can to be safe for ourselves because thats all we have to worry about in our place. Its also nice to know that everyone here supports what we are doing because we take so much pride in staying safe and making sure no one is in harms way, The chief of police has actually been to the local track and to our place and has said on many occasions that he was happy that there are some racers that care more about safety and others well being than the race itself. So really I dont care what you guys think of me and our place, we know that we are safe as safe can be with what we have to work with and we also know that we DO NOT put anyone who hasnt chosen to be there in danger. With that said, judge me I dont care, really why shoild I care what others think about our place, since you have no clue what we are trying to do and couldnt understand it, just this lone fellow here that I quoted back to. Once again thanks for getting what Im saying, I almost thought I was gonna have to get the condtruction paper and crayons out so someone would realize what I was saying, and what I had told them 15+ times earlier, maybe its just that you were able to see thru and past the word street. As for real racers dont street race, your right not the traditional way, but our way, controlled and safe yeah we do and I would be happy to take anyone on at my place or yours in a head up see whos the real racer, Im sure you would be impressed with this good ole boy from arkansas. I never said that we were the Dukes of Hazzard, lol!
OMG holy cow guys you know what livin life is dangerous walkin down the street, workin on my car, 4 wheelin, huntin, fishin, horse ridin, bull ridin, street racing, drivin down the road........there is a trillion ways we cab die no matter if its legal or not it doesnt matter everyone has there own opinions and right to speak what they wana and if someone wants to do something elegal then thats there desision you cant stop them once its done its done whether they think its ok or not so lets not get all worked up over this its just a chat not an agruement.......but man I tell yall what some of yall would make some damn good lawyers.....
The way this world is today you have to watch out for not only yourself but others to so what lilduececoupe77 is doin trust me there is alot worse that is bein done but im not sayin its ok and then again im not goin to say its bad thats my final words.......
O and there aint nothin wrong with bein a redneck there is some good ones and im not afraid to say im a redneck but then again I would say others have a different deffinition on "redneck" and I have good southern manners to I say yes sir yes mam thank you exc. I was raised right .....
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the majority of us know street racing is wrong & illegal
that includes any place accessible to the general public.....
lilduececoupe77 you are fighting a battle here which you have no chance of winning.....
you say you are not a kid but your position on this is somewhat childish.....
You & your friends are "street racing" that is all there is to it....
you say the cops are alright with it......
just wait until someone gets killed.....
you will see how OK they are .....
The only thing childish here is the way you and everyone else are reactiing to the word street, just because we are on an old stretch of road dont mean that we are automatically putting other people in harms way, if you guys would read more than just what you can to bash someone for saying street in your holier than thou attitudes because you have some great places to go, doesnt always mean that everyone does, especially in arkansas. We have this piece of asphalt, there that sounds better, that is totally abandoned and IS NOT, accessable by the general public as I have said numerous times in this thread but yet again you guys apparently missed that, and yes we have taken steps to make it safer for us, ie. concrete barriers donated by the STATE HIGHWAY DEPT COMMISSIONER, thought you guys might see that part if I capped it. And the POLICE CHIEF has said he appreciated us not racing on their streets and making their jobs hard and putting other in danger, He also said that our little strip is safer than the local track, that in itself is a compliment and encouargement that we are doing something positive, sorry for possibly using the word street in the wrong manner, but if your not at a track and yes it is an old piece of road so its called a street, but just because a person races where we race doeant mean Im speeding down the street in your neighborhood at 3 in the morn, Yes I have street raced but in the safest place I could find, but not since we found our little piece of asphalt. Call it what ya will, but i know that Im not endangering anyone anymore than the holier than thou types that have been bashing me, and lastly, whether you kill someone on a track or street, its still killing them and there is no justification for breaking any rule and doing this and anyone who believes that a person make the decision to die because they showed up at a track is a moron, most ppl pay at the track to ensure their safety from the idiocy of that type of driving so theres no justification to anyones argument in that aspect. Yes we all know the dangers, yes they are equally dangerous, but I can bet money that where I race there has never been any accident of any kind, none zilch. How many can say that for their track??? I would bet none unless they are lying thru their teeth, because I personally have witnessed incedents and tracks everywhere I have been, and luckily no deaths there, but they were lucky to say the least. If I have offended anyone i do apologize, but I cant stand someone telling me what Im doing wrong when they have no clue what Im doing is wrong or not because they didnt bother to read the posts in its entireity.
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) just because there are this many youtube videos of drag strip crashes and this many street crashes means ZERO. Sorry...
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