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Old 07-12-2009   #1 (permalink)
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So I used 112 octane racing fuel this weekend versus 93 w/ 104 boost. The car ran actually crappy compared to the way it use to. I had a hard time keeping the car running, fouled a set of plugs and went to rejetting as a result.

Question: Is high octane really not a benifit if you don't have an extremely high compression ration? My motor is 12.5 to 1. I was told that the higher the octane the heavier the fuel actually is and requires a higher spark to ignite it. I use a 6al box but may not be a hot enough spark still.

My goal was to build this motor being able to run pump gas. I thought that it would be a plus to run better fuel.
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you running cats? the lead can mess them up and make car run crappy
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you running cats? the lead can mess them up and make car run crappy
No cats. 2 1/8 primarys to 3 collectors to turn downs. No mufflers.
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maybe the timeing could be advanced to far for the wait?
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Your motor at 12.5 :1 should be running race fuel but you would need to tune the motor for it to get the benefits. To much octane can hurt also. There is other stuff in race fuel that is much better than pump gas. This will effect the tune of the car. Put race fuel in the car and get it to a dyno.
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So I used 112 octane racing fuel this weekend versus 93 w/ 104 boost. The car ran actually crappy compared to the way it use to. I had a hard time keeping the car running, fouled a set of plugs and went to rejetting as a result.

Question: Is high octane really not a benifit if you don't have an extremely high compression ration? My motor is 12.5 to 1. I was told that the higher the octane the heavier the fuel actually is and requires a higher spark to ignite it. I use a 6al box but may not be a hot enough spark still.

My goal was to build this motor being able to run pump gas. I thought that it would be a plus to run better fuel.
at 12.5 you are in the 100-104 octane range....

But if tuned there is a good chance it will run on pump gas (93 min)

the down side is you will lose some horsepower.....

The 6AL will provide more than enough spark......

i have run a 6AL on many different combo's never had a problem on any of them

you may want to experiment with heat range of your plugs.....
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at 12.5 you are in the 100-104 octane range....

But if tuned there is a good chance it will run on pump gas (93 min)

the down side is you will lose some horsepower.....

The 6AL will provide more than enough spark......

i have run a 6AL on many different combo's never had a problem on any of them

you may want to experiment with heat range of your plugs.....
I been trying to asked these ya hoos at the auto part store for different heat ranges in plugs but if it is not a stock application they can't tell me squat! They can only go by 69' Galaxcie because a 460 in a 93 Mustang don't exsist!

Looks like I may have to cough up some money and get it on a dyno to see what the motor likes.
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With that beast you have.....

Having it dyno'd will get you optimun performance and into the 9's....
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id like to drive a 9 second car.


my buddy has one thats street legal, but wont let no one drive it lol.
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id like to drive a 9 second car.
I will let you drive mine.......

But it requires a $30,000 deposit.......
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With that beast you have.....

Having it dyno'd will get you optimun performance and into the 9's....
sorry...... stepped out.

How do the shops set prices. Is it per hour and you pay for all the trial and error parts?
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sorry...... stepped out.

How do the shops set prices. Is it per hour and you pay for all the trial and error parts?
it varies from shop to shop.....

i know where i go will charge by the hour....

or a certain number of pulls plus the parts
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I will let you drive mine.......

But it requires a $30,000 deposit.......

do you accept check?
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do you accept check?
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NO.......
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