[Butcher]

Has anyone tried to put a hho kit on your car or made one yourself? I'm going to eventually try to make my own and put it on my car to save on gas. They are really easy to make but I just want to hear see if anyone has had any success with one on their car first. They sell kits on ebay and many sites but to me they are overpriced for something you can make for less than $20.

[silverV6]

ive have been looking into those also, i have helped 3 people at my job getting some parts for them. i asked what they were using the parts for and they were modifying their HHO systems and they all told me that they see a very big difference in MPG and one said that they gained 8 MPGs on an old v8 pick up, it went from 9 MPGs to 17 MPGs

[BBFcapri]

i am in the middle of putting a pair of jars in my car. i bought 50 feet of 2 gauge battery cable off of ebay last week to move the batteries to the trunck. a friend of mine's daughter's car burned down the other day so he gave me the battery. i am going to isolate the HHO circuit while it is running to there is no additional drag on the charging system. i am also going to power the
HHO circuit with the cruise control so i am not using it in traffic, where i will charge the secondary battery.

i will be installing it this week. i will get pics up when they are in.
i am averaging a shade under 30 mpg without it

[Lee Yoder]

Is this installing an electric water pump and isolating the water pump to a separate circuit? Please explain.

Thanks,
Lee

[BBFcapri]

Originally Posted by Lee Yoder

Is this installing an electric water pump and isolating the water pump to a separate circuit? Please explain.

Thanks,
Lee

nope. i will take a pic of mine this afternoon and post it. it is a tank of some sort (a mason jar in my case) with 4 holes drilled in the lid. one for the HHO to be sucked out, one for incoming air with a hose that is submerged in the water and the other two for the positive and negative poles for the stainless plates. on mine there are two ss screens seperated by a couple of beads of silicone gasket sealer. you mix a tablespoon of baking soda in a gallon of water and then apply 12v @ 5 to 25 amps and viola~ explosive gas.

i know this because when i got mine i was playing around with it because i did not believe and i had them on the radiator support holding the wires by hand and i had my son take a lighter to the hose. yeah, in my skepticism i did not put the check valve in so i blew the lid off of my jar....

for the record, i bought all the stuff to relocate my batteries to the trunk (i was going to install a second one to help carry the load) and also to make room for my hho kit where the batteries went and then gas got cheap again. and i decided it was not worth the risk to the engine in my 05 when gas is $1.89. so i will re-address when gas goes back up.

Sean

[MUSTANGHOMAN]

My father and I have built several hho kits for cars and they do work people that we know that have them and use them get up to 33% better mileage on the highay but not as well in the city..the enngine will run much smoother when running with hydrogen in the air intake..if you can mount your kit anywhere but engine compartment i would so the heat from motor doesnt affect it..it does get warm from chemical reaction...and safety from a back fire..lol..most newer cars cannot use these because it signals the computer reading the fuel and air intake causing engine light to come on...its a great thing to have and very much worth it...I will post a pic of my basic set up i have running and is working well in my pics for my profile ..i dont know how to post it here..lol

heres pic http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photo...hp/photo/97937

[5.0stangluvr]

Would someone please make up a basic parts list to build one of these. I would like to use my truck as a test vehicle.

[BBFcapri]

you are going to laugh-

you need a jar or something that is good with fairly high temp. mine is made from 6" PVC pipe, then you need some stainless rod that you can thread at the top, then i have heard of people using stainless switch covers, but mine are actually screen, then i used 10 guage wire with a 20 amp inline fuse.

what you want to do is just weld a rod to the first layer of stainless, then use a bead of silicone to seperate the rest of the layers, mine have three sheets of screen with the outside sheets welded to the rods. then you want to drill four holes twe for the electrodes, one for air in with a tube that goes almost to the bottom so it is always submerged, and the fourth for the vaccuum line. for the record- i have built a new one since it looks like gas is going up again...

and put a check valve in because i did not believe it worked and thought i would be funny to connect it to 12volt and hold a lighter to the line i had coming off of the jar. yep! i blew the first one i had to hell....

[5.0stangluvr]

Originally Posted by BBFcapri

you are going to laugh

I will be laughing if it actually works when I try to build it. Do you have any pictures of what it looks like?

[Heavy Armor]

Onboard HHO generators are a crock. Yes, you'll get a little more power out of hydrogenated gasoline, but you simply can't achieve better fuel economy by using the cars electrical system to produce it. You would need a tank of hydrogen collected from a generator at home for it to be feasible.

Answer me this: where does the car's electricity come from? That's right, the gasoline, as the engine burns it to turn the alternator. If you add an HHO generator to the vehicle, it adds an extra load to the electrical system. Heavier draw eats more fuel to spin the alternator. Not only that, but hydrogen conversion requires a lot of juice for a little hydrogen. It's not a perfect conversion. A lot of energy pulled from the alternator is going out as heat in that chemical reaction. When you look at the numbers, an HHO system installed on a car requires more energy than one without, and that energy has to come from the same place: your gas tank.

Read up on it a little more. There is plenty of technical information out there that explains why onboard HHO generators simply cannot work as advertized. A car's entire energy supply comes from its gasoline, and according to the Laws of Physics you simply cannot get more out than you put in.

Oh, one more thing. There's this little condition called "hydrogen embrittlement" that you won't see the HHO generator salesmen mention. When introduced into a high heat environment, hydrogen will "soak" into metal and create tiny gas pockets, which of course structurally weakens the metal. I'm thinking an engine block and heads might not be the place to experiment with that.

I'm not a hater. I was completely open to this idea myself not long ago. But I researched the dickens out of it, and ultimately decided that I have to agree with the scientists, not the salesmen and shade tree mechanics. Honestly, if it was that simple to get a whopping 33% better fuel economy, don't you think the auto manufacturers would be all over it, rather than incessantly groaning about the impossible CAFE standards?

~HA