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Yesterday's Knoxville News-Sentinel had an article about attempts to implement a new state law that could reduce the number of illegal aliens working in TN - if it would actually be enforced. Honestly, I think crushing the businesses of employers who knowingly and habitually hire illegals is the #1 solution, but I also think that this is a good idea. From the article (I've put the excerpt in bold type for purposes of clarity):

NASHVILLE - A proposal to make it a crime for illegal immigrants to accept pay for work done in Tennessee is headed for floor votes in both chambers of the General Assembly.

The Senate Commerce Committee voted unanimously today to advance the proposal to make it a misdemeanor for illegal immigrants to accept pay.

The measure sponsored by Sen. Joe Haynes, a Goodlettsville Democrat, could lead to fines of $500, up to six months in jail and require illegal immigrants to forfeit any earnings they receive.
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That's something worth considering, if you sour the pot, nobody comes looking for soup.
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I also think that whenever an illegal is picked up for ANY crime, they should be deported. If they keep coming back, put them on chain gangs and make them work for their "stay" in our country and "facilities".

Then coming here ILLEGALLY to "work" will not look so appealing.
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I also think that whenever an illegal is picked up for ANY crime, they should be deported. If they keep coming back, put them on chain gangs and make them work for their "stay" in our country and "facilities".

Then coming here ILLEGALLY to "work" will not look so appealing.



Then the government should garnish their wages to pay for their deportation back.
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Then the government should garnish their wages to pay for their deportation back.
Hey that is a good idea. They would sure think twice about hiring them.
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Interesting approach. For those readers who are unaware of the tax background in Tennessee, there are no state income taxes there (the state finances itself through user fees and sales taxes).

So addressing "income" as a crime is a different way of looking at the issue.

Of course, many other crimes involve income, so why not this one?

It usually takes "two to tango", so we could only hope that the flip side of "illegally accepting income" would be "illegally PAYING income".

That way, it's a "2-fer".
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very interesting,i see alot of this going on....and i agree with what the above people have said,would like to see this law enforced....
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One Virginia County has shown the way...

Just enforce the Law. The illegals will self-deport...

Va. county: Tough laws repelling illegals*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
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From the article:

Mexicans Without Borders, among the groups that protested the resolution, agreed today that residents are leaving.

"The evidence is that since the resolution was passed, Latino residents are being driven out," spokeswoman Nancy Lydall said. "More devastating is the effect on the economy. In my neighborhood (Dale City), eight or nine houses are vacant. Ninety percent of the homes are Latino."

Mexicans Without Borders? WTF? Well, guess what - we are Americans With Borders, so don't cross ours illegally! You just have to love how these groups encourage people to come to our country illegally and then protest the laws of a country that they are illegally invading. You also have to love how they want to play the ethnic card by saying that Latino residents are being driven out rather than the more truthful statement that illegal aliens are being driven out. If you are here illegally, you aren't a resident - you are an invader! Also, if ninety percent of the homes in Dale City are 'Latino' (how can a building be 'Latino'?) and only eight or nine are vacant, it doesn't sound as if the 'Latino' population is being 'driven out', just the illegals. Ms. Lydall's own statement bares out her attempts at putting a deceitful spin on the situation.

As for the 'devastating' effects on the economy, it sounds as if there is still a legal immigrant population that should be plenty large enough to support business that cater to Latinos and are on the up and up. If some folks have set up businesses designed largely and purposefully to serve illegals and now they are going to have to change that niche or go out of business - GOOD!
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Mexicans Without Borders, among the groups that protested the resolution, agreed today that residents are leaving.

"The evidence is that since the resolution was passed, Latino residents are being driven out," spokeswoman Nancy Lydall said. "More devastating is the effect on the economy. In my neighborhood (Dale City), eight or nine houses are vacant. Ninety percent of the homes are Latino."

Mexicans Without Borders? WTF? Well, guess what - we are Americans With Borders, so don't cross ours illegally! You just have to love how these groups encourage people to come to our country illegally and then protest the laws of a country that they are illegally invading. You also have to love how they want to play the ethnic card by saying that Latino residents are being driven out rather than the more truthful statement that illegal aliens are being driven out. If you are here illegally, you aren't a resident - you are an invader! Also, if ninety percent of the homes in Dale City are 'Latino' (how can a building be 'Latino'?) and only eight or nine are vacant, it doesn't sound as if the 'Latino' population is being 'driven out', just the illegals. Ms. Lydall's own statement bares out her attempts at putting a deceitful spin on the situation.

As for the 'devastating' effects on the economy, it sounds as if there is still a legal immigrant population that should be plenty large enough to support business that cater to Latinos and are on the up and up. If some folks have set up businesses designed largely and purposefully to serve illegals and now they are going to have to change that niche or go out of business - GOOD!
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Mexicans Without Borders, among the groups that protested the resolution, agreed today that residents are leaving.

"The evidence is that since the resolution was passed, Latino residents are being driven out," spokeswoman Nancy Lydall said. "More devastating is the effect on the economy. In my neighborhood (Dale City), eight or nine houses are vacant. Ninety percent of the homes are Latino."

Mexicans Without Borders? WTF? Well, guess what - we are Americans With Borders, so don't cross ours illegally! You just have to love how these groups encourage people to come to our country illegally and then protest the laws of a country that they are illegally invading. You also have to love how they want to play the ethnic card by saying that Latino residents are being driven out rather than the more truthful statement that illegal aliens are being driven out. If you are here illegally, you aren't a resident - you are an invader! Also, if ninety percent of the homes in Dale City are 'Latino' (how can a building be 'Latino'?) and only eight or nine are vacant, it doesn't sound as if the 'Latino' population is being 'driven out', just the illegals. Ms. Lydall's own statement bares out her attempts at putting a deceitful spin on the situation.

As for the 'devastating' effects on the economy, it sounds as if there is still a legal immigrant population that should be plenty large enough to support business that cater to Latinos and are on the up and up. If some folks have set up businesses designed largely and purposefully to serve illegals and now they are going to have to change that niche or go out of business - GOOD!


Very well said. I think we are the only ones who get it sometimes.
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What a laugh! As I understand it, their constitution is a hell of a lot tougher on illegal immigration in to their country than ours is.

They expect us to ignore our laws to allow them in, but they sure don't ignore their laws when it comes to immigrants crossing into their country. Go figure...
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Here's an interesting article someone emailed me....

This is a very interesting perspective


What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated
America?

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a
column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament" --
10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting
Denver last week. Hernandez said, "They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy
groceries, buy clothes...What Happens to your country's economy if
20million people go away?" That's a good question - it deserves an
answer.

Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal
migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more
vacated
America?

The answers may surprise you!

In
California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it
would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school
systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave
highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand
one another as English
Became the dominant language again.

In
Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and
grand-kids - would move back 'home', mostly to
Mexico. That would save
Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion)
annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and
incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of
Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the
terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver
Officer Don Young and hundreds of
Colorado victims would not have
suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals. Denver
Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop-out/flunk-out rate
because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different
languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked
cities in
Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish
as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In
Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the SunshineState back to
America, the rule of law, and English.

In
Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free
experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home' -- If 20 million illegal
aliens returned 'home', the
U.S. Economy would return to the rule of
law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage.
Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be
working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion
in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local,
state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in
American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that
degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded
schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of
billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches. We would lose 500,000
illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion
annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130
billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

In cities like
L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would
vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from
Americans! No more Mexican rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways
and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths
by illegal aliens!

America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get
rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home
countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money
untaxed, which further drains
America's economy - which currently
suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing
us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in
California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of
being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the
EMTOLA Act.

Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in
our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid
locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns
of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our
greenhouse gases.

Over one million of
Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along
our border from
Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the
New York Times called, "colonias" or new neighborhoods. Trouble is,
those living areas resemble
Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty,
filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live
without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of
sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be
America's new "Third
World
" inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth
rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen
them personally in
Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you
can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to
Mexico.

We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries
and/or make a better life in
Mexico. We already invite a million people
into our country legally more than all other countries combined
annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more
anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our
nation.

It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and
our way of life.

Interesting Statistics. Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should
vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until
they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $11 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to
illegal aliens. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal
aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a
word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

5. $17 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars PER DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for
welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the
United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
US.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year 2005, there were
4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine, and marijuana crossed into the
U.S. from the southern border.
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes
are committed by illegal immigrants in the
United States!"
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!
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One could only wish for all of that. That is pretty crazy to think of that if that were to happen.
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Very good information.

I wish this could happen!
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