Where would they go?! Were there refugee cities set up for them? portable hospitals for the sick, weak, old, young or infirm?
read your history, man.
That’s funny because if you bother to do a google search for “flee Falluja “ this is just the first page of responses.
Looks like the impossible has been happening under your nose for years……………
Pay special attention to the first link, but its where you probable get the bulk of your information already….
So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
That’s funny because if you bother to do a google search for “flee Falluja “ this is just the first page of responses.
Looks like the impossible has been happening under your nose for years……………
Pay special attention to the first link, but its where you probable get the bulk of your information already….
All of your posts say bombing started BEFORE telling the people to flee, and then that:
"The soldiers warned they would arrest any man under the age of 45 found trying to leave or enter the city.
Roads around Fallujah have been blocked and the city has been battered by US air strikes in preparation for the offensive.
Hospital officials said air strikes overnight had killed three people and wounded four others, while troops continue to shell insurgents, who have responded with rocket-propelled grenade fire.
Most of the 300,000 population of Fallujah have already fled and US marines say they are awaiting orders from President George W Bush and Ayad Allawi, the Iraqi interim prime minister, before beginning the attack."
I don't know what you're trying to say. Anybody with the means to leave already did, including a good number of the insurgents.
As all of the recent hurricanes have demonstrated, not everyone CAN get out. This was true in WWII, it was true in Vietnam, it is true with ANY siege on a city.
That's WHY free-fire zones are against the law.
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That’s funny because if you bother to do a google search for “flee Falluja “ this is just the first page of responses.
Looks like the impossible has been happening under your nose for years……………
Pay special attention to the first link, but its where you probable get the bulk of your information already….
Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Apparently WP is defined as an incendiary weapon not a chemical weapon.
No, it's an incindiary device that's supposed to be used to light up battlefields. It's not for use against people. Using it that way constitutes a chemical weapon.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
"In a declassifed 1995 intelligence document from the Department of Defense , Pentagon officials described Saddam Hussein's use of white phosphorus against Kurdish rebels. In the document, entitled "Possible Use of Phosphorous Chemical," white phosphorus is clearly labeled as a "chemical weapon" when used by Hussein.
IRAQ HAS POSSIBLY EMPLOYED PHOSPHOROUS CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST THE KURDISH POPULATION IN AREAS ALONG THE IRAQI-TURKISH-IRANIAN BORDERS. [?]
IN LATE FEBRUARY 1991, FOLLOWING THE COALITION FORCES? OVERWHELMING VICTORY OVER IRAQ, KURDISH REBELS STEPPED UP THEIR STRUGGLE AGAINST IRAQI FORCES IN NORTHERN IRAQ. DURING THE BRUTAL CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED THE KURDISH UPRISING, IRAQI FORCES LOYAL TO PRESIDENT SADDAM ((HUSSEIN)) MAY HAVE POSSIBLY USED WHITE PHOSPHOROUS (WP) CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST KURDISH REBELS AND THE POPULACE IN ERBIL (GEOCOORD:3412N/04401E) (VICINITY OF IRANIAN BORDER) AND DOHUK (GEOCOORD:3652N/04301E) (VICINITY OF IRAQI BORDER) PROVINCES, IRAQ ...
THESE REPORTS OF POSSIBLE WP CHEMICAL WEAPON ATTACKS SPREAD QUICKLY AMONG THE KURDISH POPULACE IN ERBIL AND DOHUK. AS A RESULT, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF KURDS FLED FROM THESE TWO AREAS AND CROSSED THE IRAQI BORDER INTO TURKEY."
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*Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
the use of white phosphorus was not prohibited under the convention if it was used for " (m)ilitary purposes not connected with the use of chemical weapons and not dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare"(Chemical Weapons Convention, Article II, Definitions, 9, "Purposes not Prohibited" c.)). The Chemical Weapons Convention specifically defines a "toxic chemical" as a chemical "which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals".(CWC, II). Following that definition, the convention defines chemical weapons as "(t)oxic chemicals and their precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention, as long as the types and quantities are consistent with such purposes". Strictly speaking, since white phosphorus's primary effects are not actually due to its toxicity, but its spontaneous ignition in the presence of oxygen, many believe it has more in common with incendiary weapons instead.
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This is as much a propaganda war as anything else.
Al Jazeera, RAI and The Guardian say chemical Weapon. (surprise)
I am sure Le monde and the rest will too.
We are not going to accomplish anything here. I am not going to change your opinion. So I am going to just enjoy the mustang board.
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No but right now there are 1000 terrorist jumping up and down for joy as they (weather he admits it or not) have a ally right hear on this board.
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
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*Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
the use of white phosphorus was not prohibited under the convention if it was used for " (m)ilitary purposes not connected with the use of chemical weapons and not dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare"(Chemical Weapons Convention, Article II, Definitions, 9, "Purposes not Prohibited" c.)). The Chemical Weapons Convention specifically defines a "toxic chemical" as a chemical "which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals".(CWC, II). Following that definition, the convention defines chemical weapons as "(t)oxic chemicals and their precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention, as long as the types and quantities are consistent with such purposes". Strictly speaking, since white phosphorus's primary effects are not actually due to its toxicity, but its spontaneous ignition in the presence of oxygen, many believe it has more in common with incendiary weapons instead.
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This is as much a propaganda war as anything else.
Al Jazeera, RAI and The Guardian say chemical Weapon. (surprise)
I am sure Le monde and the rest will too.
We are not going to accomplish anything here. I am not going to change your opinion. So I am going to just enjoy the mustang board.
no, it depends on its USE. WP CAN be used to illuminate a battlefield (incindiary) but CANNOT be used against the enemy.
This is NOT propaganda. This war depends upon the support of Iraqis, their neighbors, and our allies.
We accused Saddam hussein of war crimes for USING WHITE PHOSPHOROUS against the Kurds.
We CANNOT win, when 80% of Iraqis are against us because they see us using the SAME TACTICS that Hussein used.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Bush was informed that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, yet still pushed forward with that assertion.
Iraqis in general HAD a favorable view of us, and there was progress being made in Iran. That's all gone now.
That's a particularly sick comment. I suppose you believe John Murtha is "with" the terrorists, too.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
John Murtha has major egg on his face right now. He came out and bluntly called some U.S. Marines murderers - and after a thorough investigation, its clear that they were NOT.
Now he won't recant his rash, stupid, inappropriate and slimey words.
I've watched him confront anyone who asks him about this with a quick "Did YOU serve in the military like I did?"
The answer, even when its "YES", is just a prelude to him getting his goons to kick the questioner out of the room.
Jerk.
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guys, if we boycotted products made by another country that has different views from us, we would have to make everything for ourselves, just like we did 50 years ago....OK boycott the Chineese, they are comunist, boycott the Japanesse, they like Tom Waits, boycot Germeny, they like David Hasselhoff....boycott Canada, cause they say eh?
my point is that this country was based on not letting a forgiegn country tell us what to do, and now we are becomeing hipocrates, by telling other countrys what to do. should France help out a 230 year old ally? I say yes, but they also have a worse economy than we do, and also told us not to go into Vietnam, the French tried to hold Vietnam for 15 years, got thier butts kicked, left, told Kennedy it was a mistake, and 10 years later, we fled like the French.....Even the Germans do not want to go to war.
My personal view is a mixed one, I can see both argueements for and against war, and I do not know where I stand, but this whole anti French mentality only makes me laugh. Lets look at this new "Freedom" Fries bit and remove the word French from othe things....
ok, Freedom Kiss me baby...nah
She is wearing a Freedom cut bikini......is that freedom of having no bikini?
freedom dressing?
though I do agree, lets boycott French cars, they are ugly!
Kids, if your mom is French, and you do not want to do your chores, boycott her! lets see how long that will last, if it was my French mother when I as 9, it would have ended in 30 seconds....
also, if we are removing all French things, does that mean the French Canadians are now Freedom Canadians?
is a Merlot now a robust red wine?
It can go on and on, and I see George Carlin having a ton of material
The french may have BEEN allys at one time, but a quick review of actions of the last 2 decades will soon out that misguided theory to rest. They are not our friends. Don't fool yourself.
If you want a good laugh, go to google.com and type "french military victories" in the search field then click on I'm feeling lucky button instead of search.
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The french may have BEEN allys at one time, but a quick review of actions of the last 2 decades will soon out that misguided theory to rest. They are not our friends. Don't fool yourself.
If you want a good laugh, go to google.com and type "french military victories" in the search field then click on I'm feeling lucky button instead of search.
Is that sorta' like Bush's codpiece-wearin'-Mission-Accomplished fiasco?
I reckon Cheerleader habits don't die hard!
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Is that sorta' like Bush's codpiece-wearin'-Mission-Accomplished fiasco?
I reckon Cheerleader habits don't die hard!
I hope to.
But on another tack, the celebration on the aircraft carrier wasn't out of line - THAT mission was accomplished, and in a very fine fashion.
The problem was that we didn't just load up our guys, declare a military victory (which it surely was) and go home. Even had we continued the military push, pursuing every terrorist and militia member to their hidey holes, it could have been an effective end (though months later).
The mistakes that came into play when we halted the military, stopped the tanks, and started playing at nation-building, THAT was the big boo boo.
The troops deserved a well-done and a party. The mission WAS a success.
But it was not the LAST mission in the campaign, and it was unfortunately not followed by similar success.
You and I talked about this years ago, KS. The longer this thing stretches on, the more unlikely it will ever end. A perpetual status-quo at some level of violence (though I suspect it will end up being more like the sniping between the Israelis and the Palestinians than the high drama last year) is perhaps the best to be hoped for.
The situation in Israel has been boiling for 60 years.
I would not be a bit surprised to see Iraq do the same.
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